look at this. 300 groups were targeted. they all spent between 18 months and three years in the system. some still have not been processed. every one of them went over the nine month limit. that do the math. that equals thousands of red flags. now go back to our gawsk, right? one woman handles all of those red flags. her name, you see it there is cindy thomas. she is the manager of the tax exempt division in cincinnati. she is also the only common link to the rest of those six agents. and, in 2012 she released information to investigative journalist group about conservative groups who apply for nonprofit status. also released, private information about conservative groups that were never approved for the nonprofit status. so, when you talk about the hierarchy, megyn, when you get below lois lerner who is in washington and you get into ohio and cincinnati, the person below lois lerner is cindy
thomas. she may be the next person that investigators and congress would like to talk to. megyn: yet, she has not yet been called to testament trace, thank you. joining me now jim jordan a member of that oversight government reform committee. congressman, great to see you, what do you make of that? will cindy thomas be added to the witness list and forced to come in and answer to whether she had a role in this? i think the chances are very strong. i mean, look. she answers to lois lerner, the very lady who took the fifth amendment yesterday. so obviously she is important. some of those agents below cindy thomas we have already asked them for come in with tribe interviewed with committee staff. here is the key to the whole thing. every time you pull on a string this ball unravels even more. it s going to take some time. democrats understand we need additional hearings and real investigation. this thing is going to take some time. of government that s why we
cummings said you can t do that we are trying to investigate and get at the truth here. so, again, as i said, the more strings you pull, the more this thing falls apart. and it s it underscores how important this is and that we re gonna have to investigate. it may take a while. we re gonna have to get to the truth. if this holly paz answers to lois lerner who has taken the fifth. query whether these lower level employees are going to want to say who t. was lois who told us or whether they were going to say it was holly paz who told us or cindy thomas who told us to do that woman sitting in the introduce with. they the way. we saw an exchange that you had yesterday with shulman, douglas shulman who was the commissioner of the irs up until relatively recently for five years. he was a bush appointee.
are going to get to the bottom of it. megyn: the way it looks right now. i may not have my power chart exactly right. stephan miller seen testify numerous times guy that looks like elliott gold. below him is joseph grant. he is the other guy who lost his job in all of this. he resigned. beneath joseph grant is lois lerner who rewe saw take the fifth. then woman named holly paz and cindy thomas. we heard some testimony about her yesterday, she is the supervisor of all these folks, one of them anyway, and they had her in all the interviews that the ig did of the low level people? unbelievable. yeah. holly paz was interviewed by committee staff. she indicated that the interviews that the inspector general did where he talked to folks trying to get to the bottom of this. she was present in those interviews. how do you get the truth when the supervisor is present with the folks trying to ask questions and get the truth from. so even ranking member