that is 30 percent cleaner. and a fraction of the cost of oil. one mcf is $4, and that is equivalent to seven gallons of diesel. neil: why aren t we going after natural gas? guest: the legal the leadership is not going in that direction but natural gas is four times that in the middle east and three times in europe. neil: and solar? guest: too expensive. i m for wind and solar but too expensive. wind is priced on the margin, the margin is natural gas for power generation and natural gas at $4 you cannot finance a wind mill you have to have $6 natural gas to finance a wind deal. neil: energy notwithstanding are we going into another recess?