the hearing and she tells her lawyer, stefan passantino, she says i m effed. i just lied. they don t know that you can i just lied, and then he responds, they don t know that you can recall some of these things so you can t recall is a perfectly acceptable response. you know, putting it simply to tell a client to be dishonest under oath is pretty high on the list of things that attorneys aren t supposed to do. it puts, you know, this lawyer in the rudy giuliani category of someone who s going to lose his legal license if this account holds up, but it s also deeply, deeply criminal. and ari, you and i have talked a lot. i will defend to the ends of the earth a lawyer who zealously advocates for his client or her client, that s not what this is. this is a person not acting as an attorney, but acting as a mob thug. strong point from you on the nuance. ruth, your thoughts on what i mentioned, what s coming out now in a kind of a more piecemeal