when he said the bush white house appreciated the independence of the justice department and there s a difference between being a governmental lawyer and representing an individual in his personal capacity versus what you do at doj. i m joined by emily. that s from her thorough piece in the new york times entitled who is bill barr in . it looks at how established republicans thought he was one of them and he s not. i think when bill barr was appointed attorney general, we were coming out of sessions and then there was an acting attorney general whitaker. and whitaker was kind of a hack and not able to stand up to trump and maintain the independence of the justice department. you have barr who has george h.w. bush on his resume. that stands for moderate republicans. and i think there was a desire on the part of a lot of people to imagine that he was going to be a really professional