senator durbin and including senator mendez and other champions need to make sure we get to a yes with the senate parliamentarian. the pieces passed by the house are included in the final package that the senate also passes and that is what is signed into law, which includes transformative relief for millions of people. and i believe the vice president wants to see this as well. when i think about what representative gosar has said, nothing new, right? nothing we haven t heard before. and it is both meant to rile up their base but it is also meant to scare democrats, who don t want to go home to their district and have to deal with this as an issue. what do you say to those democrats? listen, we have lost many opportunities of past immigration reform because democrats are scared. and the fact is that they lost
greater public alarm about it than i ve ever seen and i ve been covering these debt ceiling votes for a very longtime. and the issue really is, people talk about, well, you know, the government will run out of money. it won t. people say, we ll go into default. we don t niece lee do that evening. nonetheless, eventually the debt krelg will have to be raised and those who want to curb, who don t want to go home to their constituents and say, we voted to increase the debt by increasing the debt ceiling, without being able to also say but at the same time we took major steps to reign in all of the deficit spending i which is contributing so much to the debt is saying we re not doing this unless there are reforms. that is mostly republicans, some democrat, and that s where we are. and both sides are looking at this and saying, you know, this is an alarming thing, if we don t get the debt ceiling