we have 3,000 names. we re looking at them. of the 3,000 names, many of those names really have been treated unfairly. neil: you know, for all the controversy surrounding the president s pardons. he has not pardoned that many people. this, of course, the latest one being the sentence relief that he provided for alice maria johnson. she was serving a life sentence for nonviolent drug charge. she thanked the president profusely. are we looking at this the correct way here? let s get the read from attorney whitney bowen. whitney, i was surprised to sees a we look at this point in respected presidencies that the president is pretty low on the totem pole when it comes to pardons. he has had five. some presidents have far more like bush senior at this point in his presidency or ronald reagan before that or jimmy carter or even
from any further punishment as a result of a presidential punishment. i would love to see people like alice johnson or people in her position receive pardons or commutations of their sentence. but if it s going to be other things, again, we will see how it plays out. but it s concerning. neil: yeah. we have started something here. whitney bowen have a great weekend. thank you very much. thanks, neil. you too. neil: remember when someone was jumping ugly with the president over tweeting so many nasty things? now the people upset at him are tweeting some very nasty things after this. why is dark magic so spell-bindingly good? it s a bold blend of coffee with rich flavors of uganda, sumatra, colombia and other parts of south america. like these mountains, each amazing on their own.
as this actual revelation of the sexual, the senior salute that is coming forward in this case. and i m actually it s confusing and distracting, because here you have an alum who s saying, no, i did not commit rape, in fact, i did not have sex with person. but at the same time, he goes into this illustrious recitation of this disgusting and horrible program, for lack of a better word, that s going on on this campus and apparently has been for a long time. so the school is not on trial right now, only this defendant is. so how this is going to play into whether or not a jury finds him guilty or not guilty is a mystery. jenna: interesting. whitney, the lawyer currently defending this young man also defended whitey bulger, the former mobster now in prison for re the lawyer, and he has not commented about whether or not his client is going to use this as part of his defense, would you use it? how would you use this tale about the school? we don t know if it s real or not. how would you b
not college where sometimes people have the morning after regret. this is a boarding school where these are teenagers incapable of consenting to sex until, in new hampshire, the age of 16 which, in my opinion, is awfully young. so the jurors are going to be looking at this victim as, you know, not a consenting adult in any way, shape or form, but as a child. and when you factor in this convoluted story of this sexual tenor at this school, the jury just might come back even with a lack of physical evidence and find there is enough to convict this kid. jenna: it ll be interesting who takes the witness stand, whitney, because you even have alumna writing to the boston globe saying this sounds consistent to what we saw in school while we were in school there. do you bring back all these alumni to testify against this one guy? i don t think it would be allowed. jenna: let me ask specifically about the man on trial. he also served as a prefect for the hall, and so he went through
physical evidence and a kind of hearsay within hearsay in terms of the reporting sometime after the incident. if it did happen, they couldn t maintain physical evidence, and they re going to have a harder time proving the case. jenna: the hospital said her injuries were consistent with rape, but to whitney s point, there is a question of is it just a he said/she said case at this point. i can t help but thinking about the rolling stone story which really focused on group that was very unlikable which was the fraternity system at the school and basically indicted the entire system. i bottomedder how that i wonder how that plays in here. the boarding schools don t necessarily get the best reputations, and i just kind of wonder how that could be again, in fairness, how that s part of the story even getting the press. well, often times in rape cases it turns into a he said/she said because for whatever reason, somebody doesn t get the dna evidence, they don t report it, etc., what