Tamara keith, White House Correspondent for npr. And ken vogel political reporter for the New York Times. Thank you all for being with us especially as part of our Leadoff Panel tonight. Ken, ill lead off with you. What do you make of this bank subpoena, if true, is it a big deal . What else does it speak of . Absolutely. We always kind of knew that this was a possibility that mueller would start looking into Donald Trumps finances and this subpoena, again, if it is accurate that Deutsche Bank has been subpoenaed, would indicate that he is fully going down that route. Deutsche bank is significant because donald trump it has at least 130 million worth of Donald Trumps debt and it sold some of that debt or could have sold some of that debt to russian banks. That could potentially give these russian banks some leverage over donald trump. And so you have the combination here potentially of Donald Trumps finances as well as his
dealings with russia and how those two things intertwine. So ev
the voters actually chose in a democracy. giuliani talked up law and order. now we use the skills, the prestige, the reputation he may have gathered for however long in the opposite direction. now, we may not know exactly why he got there that way, what motivated him. the legal point tonight is it doesn t matter. it doesn t matter how hypocritical he s been, doesn t matter whether this is about legally him versus them, right versus left, white versus black, although all those issues may ultimately prove relevant. the bar to convict him is much lower. and that is maybe what scarce him, because he has tried rico cases before. now, again, legally presumed innocent, but the bar is pretty straightforward. did he knowingly and corruptly
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made us feel more apart from one other than we should have been from the beginning. it is a construction. since race is more mythology than reality, caste explains what people think they are explaining with race. right. i think that the tyre nichols case helps us see that more readily. we are accustomed to thinking about polarity s, such as white versus black, and that gets us in a way of restricting and not seeing all what is underneath it. the idea of race allows us to have an x-ray of our country, it lets us see what is underneath it. it also connects us to the larger framework of infrastructure of division that actually speaks to thousands of years old phenomenon of caste. so the tyre nichols situation, the tragedy, allows us to see that we have all been exposed
define a fable. what is that fable? the sable is that the idea of dividing human beings up by arbitrary metrics that, we as americans have accepted as race, that is an arbitrary construction. that every consensus from the very first one has struggled to define who fits in the category of what we see is white and who fits in the category as what we see as black. how do you define people in the middle. if it turns out that people of indian descent, every census there is a different one. they re described as hindu, white, there have been so many different descriptions that it is a reminder that all of this is a creation. this is all a construction that date back to before there was a united states of america and we re still living with the after effects of a mythology that has constructed us and