between mr. trump and clark. i think it is hard for people who don t work in the justice department to understand how egregious clark s behavior was. he was out on his own conducting sort of investigations into alleged voter fraud, both of which he has no jurisdiction over and without his superiors knowing he was doing it. he was talking directly with the white house w the president, which he s not allowed to do under department of justice rules. and he was talking with at least one republican member of congress, which he s also not allowed to do under justice department rules. he was violating multiple justice department policies in an attempt to overturn the election. to your point, we only know the thing that jeffrey rosen was a witness to. we know about this january 3rd meeting a the white house, which happened because clark was proposing to send this letter to the state of georgia urging them to void their election results, and rosen protested and ended up in a meeting with the