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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20211124 21:09:00

but we have shown the possibility. if it can happen in georgia, it can happen all over this country. we must finish the task. harry litman, i am going to ask you to take me through the verdict. trfs mcmichael was found guilty on all counts, including malice murder. gregory mcmichael and william roddy bryan found guilty of felony murder but not of malice murder. can you explain that to us. sure. malice murder meant for travis, who pulled the trigger he actually acted either intentionally or with an abandoned, malignant heart. and the other two were found not to have had that same kind of intent or malignancy. nevertheless, they joined in the overall enterprise. felony murder holds the same possible penalty. they are both also looking at life in prison because they facilitated, assisted. the theory of the law is they

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20211124 21:08:00

talk about the impact of the location, where this trial took place. georgia has been one the states known back through slavery days, back through the civil war, and totally through jim crow, had a governor that chased blacks with an ax handle. georgia has been a mainstay in terms of representing the interposition and nullification that georgia native martin luther king talked about in his i have a dream speech. for this to happen in georgia a year after not even a year after we saw a black and a jew elected to the senate in georgia said georgia can change, if we can see electoral changes in georgia and then judicial change in georgia, we can change the nation. we can t stop now. there are still no federal laws. we have not legislated this.

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20211124 21:19:00

i think that was a good thing. he said [ no audio ] dirty toenails, some animal, or like he s a runaway slave that you have to capture and civilize. none of that worked. that s the good news out of this decision, is that they played a tune that is no longer resonating in many homes, white homes n georgia and around the country. but we ve got to make it permanent, by changing laws, because there are many that have not changed. because, let s not forget, less than 24 hours ago, as jonathan just reminded us, you have got kyle rittenhouse that has been celebrated by a former president and been offered a congressional internship. so now you kill people and you become a hero and you are given a congressional internship. so we can t get too carried

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20211124 22:41:00

and i think that comes from the top down, right? donald trump who never apologized, never admitted fault, denied every allegation that was thrown against him and won. and i think that s the key here. once trump showed that you can win that sort of brash attitudinal politics, then of course people were going to mimic it. and what s interesting here is not that they re mimicking it, it s what you said, the degree that republicans are tolerating this. the most obvious example right now is not shawn parnell. it s herschel walker who s faced similar allegations that he s denied down in georgia, and initially mitch mcconnell who actually has a huge stake was very sort of tepid on the walker idea. he did not want to support him. eventually he came in and said, yes, i will endorse this. that s just a retreat from these types of arguments by establishment gop. i m really glad that sam brought the democratic party into this because the parallel that is so important is both

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20211124 21:32:00

kept more people from being able the see and it think about maybe to handle it and the fact that it was underestimated is both disturbing and not surprising. another thing that the january 6th attack just highlights is the extent to which within law enforcement, federal, state, local, across the board, struggles with a widespread bias of underestimating the threat from far right and white supremacist extremists. we see it regularly, we it retunely. it is part of the reason that the warnings about the attack on the capitol on january 6th, which were manifold, which were across the board, were not taken seriously. it is part of the reason that building didn t have the security that the people in that building needed to have. it is something that law enforcement officials have to seriously grapple with. they have toers isly look in the mirror and think how can they rid themselves of that bias of

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