these facts are correct. and you ve spoken to over 200 whistle-blowers. when you hear the president talk like we just heard and see the tweets from the president calling the whistle-blower a spy, treasonous, a liar, do you think this will have an impact or deter other whistle-blowers from coming forward in the future? well let me say, this is standard 101 whistle-blower retaliation. so you think it is a violation of the law? i certainly do. this person was guaranteed anonymity and challenging that is a bigger problem and it is a way of shifting focus from the facts to the person and personalize this and to see what kind of person they are and it is a smoke screen to deflect from the truth. it will scare certain people away but make another group of people, those 12 people referenced in the complaint perhaps even more determined to come forward. we ve heard of one perhaps more that are willing to become whistle-blowers themselves. this is the community of whistle-blowers that is
execution. he s talking calling someone who works for him and the whistle-blower a spy. right? and in fact, all of this makes sense to me. he has a very disturbing conversation about getting dirt on one of his opponents for the 2020 election. and then of course someone who heard about it talks to a trusted cia agent who has expertise on ukraine. and that s how he finds it. this is legitimate discussions between security people who are involved that care about our country. so what happens then is whoever in the white house maybe didn t predict the cia agent would do this, and again, this is just reports that he s a cia agent. and he then files a whistle-blower complaint. i don t see anything wrong with that in that they were having a discussion of concern about national security. do you think the president bringing up execution has a chilling effect on whistle-blowers? absolutely. that s what he s trying to do. we have to call on the