like kabul and so many other cities. you can see now that people and youngsters within these large cities are standing their grounds against the taliban and waving the national flag. yep. it s a different country. and that must be noted. amiri, thanks for the work you re doing. sami mahdi, thanks as well. we re glad you re safe. let s go to sam. tell us what you re seeing in numbers. we re hearing thousands upon thousands waiting there. is that still the situation? reporter: yes, it is, and things are moving much more quickly. there isn t an accurate amount
capacity for airstrikes in afghanistan. rory, before we go, i want to play some sound from the u.k. defense secretary describing the continuing fears as to whether the u.k. can get all of its people out, including its citizens, out of afghanistan. i ll play it briefly and i want to get your reaction. at the very least, our obligation has to be as few people through the pipeline as possible. i think i also said some people won t get back. some people won t get back, and we will have to do our best in third countries to process those people. i ve heard americans tell me the same thing. what does that mean for both the u.k. and the u.s., that they may not be able to get all those who need help out? it s heartbreaking. but what you see here is a situation in which kabul is
stewart. he ran across afghanistan from harat all the way to kabul. he s a former member of the british parliament. it s good to have you on. few people have as much on the ground, face to face experience with afghanistan as you have. you saw the criticism there. he said that the u.s. abandoned afghanistan. do you agree? yes, and it s been humiliating for the u.k. we wake up to the situation and it s embarrassing. essentially britain believes very strongly, our defense secretary said he thinks it s the wrong decision. he tried at the last moment to get a coalition with the turks and others, failed to do so. but the u.s. has created over many decades a situation where the u.s. leads in and the u.s.
prime minister johnson requested a telephone call. he didn t receive a call from president biden halfway into tuesday, which was already three days into this crisis in kabul. that is just indicative of how all of this has been conducted. the u.s. from the beginning hasn t really believed it needs to have the courtesy of consulting. having made that decision, he didn t really reach out to whether britain or others could take up the slack and provide protection for afghanistan. he could have done that, but i see something strange in the way president biden approached this. it s as if he thinks if this is not worth his while, it s not worth others to do it instead. remarkable. we re joined by andrey kortunov. he s the director of the international affairs council, the international think tank. i want to know what signal
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