uncertainty around it and what charlie said. the testimony has been changed a couple of times. that s never a good thing. you want certainty going into these proceedings. and there is an element of uncertainty as to what tact gordon sondland is going to take. and i think part of it is that the republicans have sort of, you know, put their stake in the no quid pro quo. the reality is as we know when it comes to almost everything in politics and certainly everything in dealing with foreign governments, there s always quid pro quo. you know, there s always we ll do this if you do this. that s just the normal way you do things. and the question is, you know, how much of that was related to burisma, how much was related to the bidens, how much was related to other corruption in ukraine. there s all sorts of reasons they could have held up aid. the question is what is gordon
gordon sondland said i was directed by president trump to make this deal? and for what purpose, right? the line of questioning that i think because sondland is so entrenched in his initial testimony in saying it would be wrong to do so with a nick political objective, i think that would be a bridge too far for him to then link it to burisma and the bidens. maybe he s going to pull a volker today and say it never occurred to me that burisma meant hunter biden. every lawyer we ve spoken to today has problems with what s going to happen because it s hard to imagine how fwgordon sondland gets out of this without contradicting himself repeat tli. what if he tells the truth? then he s not in danger of perjury. i don t think the republicans know what they have on their hands. thinking through how do they defend against what s about to unfold. here s the question of the day.
pertain to ukraine. like burisma and i think it s appropriate to say was burisma attempting to use hunter biden as a way to influence american foreign policy? that s a legitimate, you know, thing for them to investgate as to whether burisma was doing things wrong. the question is whether joe biden was doing something wrong is a completely separate question. and i think that s what ambassador volker was saying yesterday. but again, i want to disagree with charlie that i don t think just for the fact that the president mentioned it in a call or, you know, happened to mention joe biden. i think that was wrong. he shouldn t have mentioned joe biden s name. but investigating burisma is legitimate. i didn t say what the president did was illegal. i said it was potentially illegal. and there s a difference. like i said, my former mayor is sitting in jail for 15 years for exchanging contracts for political contributions. but that s not what he s doing, charlie. he s not exchanging it for
he s, again, directly speaking to the president. none of us even want him to say any particular thing. we just want the truth. reporter: both private and public impeachment hearings uncovering a complicated web between sondland, trump, and ukraine. the meeting suz essentially over when sondland said tsh we all thought it was inappropriate. ambassador sondland told me that president trump told him he wants president zelensky to state publicly that ukraine will investigate burisma and alleged interference in the 2016 election. reporter: just last week matters complicate things for sondland. after word of the call one day with him one day after the call
call. sondland talked to imhad. sondland was his guy. that s what they re looking for. what did the president say to you? what did the president tell you to do? and i m not talking about just the july 26 phone call. i m not talking, you know, about the phone calls to september. i m talking about over your complete tenure here as ambassador to the european union. what did the president tell you to do? and in these private meetings and private phone calls. we know their private meetings began as early as may when the group of representatives met with president trump after the election and the inauguration of president zelensky. and sondland stayed been. what did the president talk to you about then? what did he talk to you about on that phone call that many other people heard on july 26th? and more importantly, i think, when did you know that the president was tying the withholding of aid and the withholding of a meeting to these investigations of both the bidens and burisma and the