couple of witnesses that could prove pivotal in mark meadows s argument. one is brad raffensperger, and also his chief investigator, frances watson. watson was one of the people that physically prevented mark meadows from entering the space where the cobb county audit was being performed, i think on december 22nd, when he traveled to georgia. and meadows personally arranged the call between trump and watson. again, frances watson, brad raffensperger s chief investigator, who, where trump told watson she would be praised if he prevailed in the election. she seems like an incredibly damaging witness as mark meadows is trying to say, everything i was doing down there was under the color of my work for the federal government. barbara, you talk about the evidence presented in the hearing, that s damaging also because it could be used in a criminal trial, can t it?
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be really hard to get around an already circus like atmosphere. and as we said, he s coming with a new attorney, steven sadow, someone you have been up against in court before. tell us a little bit about what the book on him is essentially, what should we know? steve is a smart and experienced lawyer. he has been doing this for decades, and he s not only a good tactician pretrial, we saw that with his prompt filing of this motion where he s asking to have involvement in pretrial scheduling, he s also a defense lawyer who s not afraid to go to trial. he will certainly, if he believes he s got good defenses to assert, be unafraid to take this to a jury and let them decide the case. joyce vance, tamar hallerman, thank you so much for responding so quickly to this breaking news. appreciate it. right now, security concerns at the fulton county jail where trump will surrender, he says