not necessarily i did this because of this reason, or i did this and sort of superimposing the conversation he s having with nonemergency onto your conversations? no. not at that time, no. okay. he was just saying, basically, a rendition of what was going on. correct. and just so the jury is clear, about how long was this conversation between george zimmerman and you during this car ride? the drive from the sanford police department to near the intersection of reinhart road and lake mary boulevard which would have been about 14 minutes, 15 minutes. and during that time were other things being discussed as well like whatever shelley was doing with him? she didn t interject at all. will okay. so during this conversation then, he s telling you that he s trying to keep an eye on trayvon martin however he can. that was his intent, was to keep him under observation. okay. and at some point well, tell me then at some point did he say