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CNN The 11th hour December 17, 2013 04:26:00

i think he can be anything to anyone. why do you say that? everybody has a different visualization of santa. from the mouths of babes. you re awesome. thank you. give me a hug. merry christmas. she was very sweet. and we thought we would go directly to the big man for comment. we have more than we bargained for, not one or two or three but four santas. latino santa, we spent a lot of times debating white versus black, we haven t heard from you. what do you have to say? it doesn t matter what santa looks like. kids enjoy santa. they don t care. santa could be hispanic, african-american, filipino, they

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20131217:01:36:00

those messages. in fact, one of the most insidious aspects of the racial regime in which we labor is that whiteness is the default, whiteness is invisible, whiteness does not exist as a thing, as something to be noticed. things just are white, people just are white, santa just is white. but here s the thing, until a few years ago, the president of the united states was white. he just was. that was a verifiable fact. but that changed. so, maybe santa could change, too? and speaking of changing santa, here s what santa should not be. this is santacon. if you re not familiar, it s basically a costumed pub crawl that started in san francisco in 1994 and since gone global. it acts as an opportunity for the same inebriated louts who crowd into the city to get publicly drunk on st. paddy s day to trade in their green for red and white and get publicly drunk in december. this year s santacon, a number of drunken santas could be seen brawling on the sidewalks near union square here in new york

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20131217:04:36:00

and for millions of nonwhite kids, the message that santa is white might very well be one of those messages. in fact, one of the most insidious aspects of the racial regime in which we labor is that whiteness is the default, whiteness is invisible, whiteness does not exist as a thing, as something to be noticed. things just are white, people just are white, santa just is white. but here s the thing, until a few years ago, the president of the united states was white. he just was. that was a verifiable fact. but that changed. so, maybe santa could change, too? and speaking of changing santa, here s what santa should not be. this is santacon. if you re not familiar, it s basically a costumed pub crawl that started in san francisco in 1994 and since gone global. it acts as an opportunity for the same inebriated louts who crowd into the city to get publicly drunk on st. paddy s day to trade in their green for red and white and get publicly drunk in december. this year s santacon, a number

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20131217:04:34:00

just wait until fox viewers find out santa s actually a black man pretending to be a black woman. ho, ho, ho! look how you jumped on that. go see a medeia christmas. besides, black people have their own holiday, it s martin luther king day. by the way, for kids watching at 11:30 at night, martin luther king is black and he is real. all right, all of that led megyn kelly, to her credit, to return to the issue with a segment that was sort of ambiguously perched somewhere between apology and double down. the knee-jerk instinct by so many to race-bait and to assume the worst of people, especially people employed by the very powerful fox news channel. contrary to what my critics have posited, neither my statement, nor harris , i m sure, was motivated by racial fear or loathing. we continually see st. nick as a white man in modern-day america. should that change? well, that debate got lost. by the way, i also did say jesus

CNN CNN Newsroom December 16, 2013 20:39:00

but then you know there are cases of black santas, right, which are controversial? you look at black pete in the netherlands. i can t believe this is a thing. the black pete in the netherlands is a huge controversial figure. i was talking to someone about that the other day. because santa is black. it s like black face in the holidays. because it s white people in black face. that s the thing that gets people set off. there was a new york times piece about that recently. sorry, i hijacked your show. tonight, 11:00, 11th hour. you re talking about it. we have decided the definitive answer tonight as to what santa is, black, white, puerto rican, whatever he is, we re coming to a conclusion tonight at 11:00. you may not like what i have to say. you may not like what the guests have to say. you may disagree with it. we re going to tell you what color santa is. 11:00 p.m. eastern, cnn. thanks. never hijacking, always a guest. were you hanging out at some big fancy

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