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Religious even but if anyone ran into an example where they could sense that a myth or perhaps tradition was driving a particular kind of ritual that people were going through in order to bring them into some kind of extraordinary experience. It could be deeply religious or it could be something in our culture, but any examples . Yeah, chris . This weekend i went to kenosha, wisconsin, to represent my church at the elca in metro chicago synod for the lutheran church, and we had a Youth Conference there, where everyone from the ages 14 to 19 came and shared in a weekend of faith and all kinds of stuff. And one of the i had a deeply moving experience. We did a hymn sing at night and carried torches down to the lake on lake michigan. And they set up the cross and there was a golden moon, it was low on the horizon, and as we were partaking of the body and blood of christ, the moon rose, and it was golden like the sun, and it rose on us and it was beautiful. And the torches and the sound of

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