columns, causing heavy losses, that were supposed to be prevented by simple jamming techniques, that the russians don t seem to carry out. the other thing we notice in places a kharkiv, stephanie, is that dead russian soldiers, their bodies remain in the streets. that is another good indication. not that they re just taking heavy losses, but they no longer have the commanding control structure and some of these places, to recover the bodies of the fallen service members. stephanie? think of that. ukrainians are being told, leave your dead family members outside, in the street. it s unsafe to do anything else. well ukraine, and the red cross, are working to send the bodies of russian members of the military home. think about that. cal, thank you so much for your reporting tonight, and every day. with that, let s bring in our experts this evening. phil rucker, pulitzer prize-winning, deputy national editor at the washington post. retired army lieutenant, colonel alexander vindman, the
lost their parents during the last 16 days. and we have many stories like that. and, you know, russian army, they attack earn. and everything like maternity houses, hospitals, churches, everything they even attack. it s just it s indiscriminate from what we are seeing. well thank you so much for giving us this update. irena. i understand an american distributor picked up your film the earth is blue. and please continue to keep us posted on your wellbeing. well ukraine s first lady is using her high visibility on social media to show the world the horrors of war in her country. and she is also arousing source of encouragement for the ukrainian people and like her husband, calling for more international support. cnn has her story. ukraine s first lady mincings
we tend to talk about it in the context of the military, for obvious reasons, but i zelenskyy told lester holt, the reality is that this war is going to have to end at the negotiating table. there may be reason for cautious optimism on that front, tonight. representatives from ukraine and russia have been meeting in turkey for peace talks, which president zelenskyy now calls more realistic. the financial times reports that a draft 15 point plan would include a russian withdrawal, in exchange for ukraine declare neutrality, and accepting limits on its military, and despite the protestation from some that this invasion had nothing to do with nato at all. surprise surprise, and agree not to join nato is also part of these negotiations. well ukraine would be barred from hosting military bases, it would get security is syringes from u.s., uk, and turkey. but it s clear that a final deal is still a long way off. an aide to zelenskyy said that
longer have the commanding control structure and some of these places, to recover the bodies of the fallen service members. stephanie? think of that. ukrainians are being told, leave your dead family members outside, in the street. it s unsafe to do anything else. well ukraine, and the red cross, are working to send the bodies of russian members of the military home. think about that. cal, thank you so much for your reporting tonight, and every day. with that, let s bring in our experts this evening. phil rucker, pulitzer prize -winning, deputy national editor at the washington post. retired army lieutenant, colonel alexander vindman, the former director for european affairs for the u.s. national security council, with his expertise in ukraine and, jeremy bash. former chief of staff at the cia, and the pentagon. jeremy, i turn to you first. russian forces thought that they would crush ukraine s military within one week. but russia has, clearly, stalled. now there is a billion dollars
soldiers around a front that was 1,400 miles long and then say yeah, what we really wanted to do was go into the donbas, an area they already had a stalemate in. it s just beyond belief. it s laughable, and it shows that not only is putin incompetent as a strategist, but his generals must be really sycophantic in terms of comedic display of support like this, it doesn t coincide with any military plan or strategy i ve seen before and definitely doesn t have one as an instinct. i would also say, one of the things as they were attempting to destroy ukraine s army, well ukraine s army is currently destroying them in places like north of kyiv in kherson, in kharkiv, the counter-offensive going on, in mykolayiv, so every place they attempted to make