student out, who fled to russia peter wasn t the military that dead ed, there was nobody shooting at him, it was the people that did it. the size and scale of their demonstrations against him ran him out of there. and ever since then, despite free anti-russian government that came into power after putin s stooge was run out, every one of those governments has turned to the west and not to the east. he believes that his presence in eastern ukraine after annexing crimea would actually put so much pressure on the ukraine government that they would look to the east and stop looking to the west. the absolute opposite happened. it stiffened their resolve. and zelenskyy has driven him not scared i think he thought he was a light weight because he came into it as an entertainer and his background, but he s been the toughest of all three anti-russian governments. he has been the most aggressive
a result of it. so while militarily this all a favor putin there is no doubt about it. he will be successful here. but there are issues facing him as a consequence of his action to be sure. i ve been listening with fascination to what you been saying because i been hearing voices on the russian side in the ukraine site who apparently believed that putin was at his heart a rational actor. add they are shocked at what they are seeing, that he is willing to kill civilians, that is willing to surround this country and try to choke it off on three sides. i also listened earlier on american newsroom, the former national security advisor saying the bottom line is that putin cannot succeed. we cannot allow putin to succeed in this mission beer now i wonder what we are going to hear from president biden. what he think the most important thing that president biden needs
a friendly government. the irony of that. everybody s got a question. emily? general, in light of what you just explained about putin selecting the most ambitious option of a campaign, talk to us about reports of underground networks in ukraine that while russia and outnumbered might take over these major population centers, it might be quite difficult for them to control given those underground networks. what what that other side look like coming out of ukraine, general? i personally believe this is a bit of an overreach for putin. one of the indicators of that in my judgment is what you are talking about, the ukraine people. i cut back to the reality that they already have driven out one of his russian friendly governments once before. so the people clearly are going to stay in ukraine. you re not going to see millions
there, that s where we sent out 3,000. really and truly we are going to have to be up against those borders i would imagine to help them out if russia gets really hungry. there s an article in nato that says an attack on one is an attack on all. the united states was defended that way after september 11th. harris, you make a good point about ukrainians coming in from poland but i have set up different camps they are trying to help transit. i would really think about this year, these are the baltics. they are a small country. it is latvia, estonia, lithuania. is this a potential target for putin to maybe go next? 70% of his army has surrounded ukraine. i m not saying that s going to happen right now, but it s something to add to this debate, where well putin stop? bill hemmer, thanks for that as always. coming up, so many questions on how the united states and its allies should respond as russia
briefing. the senate intel chairman came out and said there could be cyberattacks on the united states in the coming days. he said that putin has warned he will strike back against sanctions from western countries. that could mean cyberattacks against nato countries, potentially against america critical infrastructure as well. that s pretty significant. this is a given. if president biden and the international community do what they are suggesting they are going to do, and that is significant economic sanctions on putin, and also denying them technology coming out of the united states and europe. you ve seen the shopping list commits formidable if they execute all of that. there is no doubt that putin will retaliate. and this will be the first time that we ve had an offense of cyber warfare conducted against the united states in conjunction with kinetic operations. not that we are directly