want to see, is also the same access point that can allow for certain bad things to happen. now it s my understanding that the russians and the chinese, and whether it s officially sanctioned by the governments or not is and open question but they are the most active internationally at trying to hack various things in u.s. government systems. at what point do we call this what it is, which is a form of terrorism? i think it s a matter of degree. terrorism generally means instilling terror in the population at large. so if we what we re talking about is the type of attack that s a website defacement, i don t think it necessarily terrorizes the population. on the other hand, if it is more cyber espionage which is designed not to be detected, then it is a more serious concern and you have to look to see whether or not the cyber espionage is designed to cause havoc or is it designed just to spy. either way it is a serious problem but i don t think it automatically converts into a