allies about what the particular steps are. i mean, this is a big deal. thinking through under what circumstances one might possibly have nato and u.s. forces engage with russian forces is not something that happens every day, god forbid, and therefore it needs to be very carefully considered. i think we re getting closer to that point, particularly if there are weapons of mass destruction used, but one hopes that this kind of conversation is leading putin to think again about what he s about to do. you know, you re a pronoent of what you said is proportional response. they launch a chemical weapons attack, nato should take out the battalion that launched the attack, that that would be the type of response as a way, you said you seemed to indicate you thought that that would at least be that that s the best way you have to sort of you have to draw a line, but you also want to be able to say you re not escalating.