be from ukraine and you will. and thene because paying off your friends is always the real point of these exercises in washingtonng there are billions more dollars for lloyd austin s former employers in the weapons business i that would include seventy two million dollars or somethingncnc the bill describes as quote research development test and evaluation in ukraine. hmm. now don t say biolab because that s not allowed. but honestly, this is weird. ukraine is a war zone and therefore probably not a great place for scientific research right now. but whatever we re funding some kind of science experiments in ukraine no more questions from you. and the bill goesil on likes, this and on and on . as congressman thomas massie has pointed out, congress has now spent more money on ukraine in six months than the u.s. government spent on all roads and all bridges in the united states over all of last year. the forty million dollars for sending to ukraine so they secure their borders, by the way
publicly. they re going to proceed with the sale of this air defense system because they believe they can go ahead and do it. but this is the kind of thing that has people worried. what are the interpretations? what are the rules of the road? what can iran engage in? and remember iran has a huge illicit arms trade as well. they regularly supply arms to groups like hamas and hezbollah. they have an arms relationship with north korea that s under the table. a lot of concerns separate from this nuclear deal iran still very much in the weapons business. they re supplying to those houthi rebels in yemen. thanks very much. let s get more on what s going on. joining us, the top democrat in the house, congressman schiff thank you for joining us.
that makes the nra sound rather like a parasite on the host body of the republican party, doesn t it. it certainly has been in recent years. it used to be there were an awful lot of democrats who also had 100% nra ratings. that s no longer so much the case. look, as julian said, the world right now is bedeviled by what are called failed states. these are states where the government doesn t have enough authority to maintain security and protect people s lives. and what happens in these fails states is that you get war lords a and other groups that kill an awful lot of innocent people through this $100 billion a year weapons business, international arms trades. so the world is trying to get together to do something about it. what s standing in its way? a relatively small, grossly overpublicized group, the national rifle association.
because there are not formal military personnel on the ground in libya, that doesn t mean we don t have people there and those individuals who know the weapons business and the intel business can probably play a major role in securing weapons like the portable fa-7, which can be used to shoot down civilian airliners. the real problem for us is you ve got a hemorrhaging, probably, from libyan stockpiles. now, if the next libyan government is prowestern, if it s coherent, if it essentially plays by the rules, it will be less of a prorks but if it wants to sell niece weapon, it could becomes factionalized. this can be a significant problem not just for the united states but for the west as well. jenna: and that s a fate we don t know yet as to what happens with the next government. aaron, always nice to have your insights, thank you for joining us. pleasure to be here. jon: there is word now that libyan state television is
things are free or easy or cheap. i mean, we re 10,000 americans are dying prematurely each year because of our use of coal. you know, this is there is no free energy and the nuclear power has problems with safety, mostly under control, with disposal of the used fuel, mostly under control. but i must say the big issue the looming issue that i think determines how aggressively we should move forward with nuclear power is the connection with weapons, weapons proliferation. far more people would be killed with and far more damage to civil society would be done with nuclear weapons than with any nuclear power plant accident. and i know the industry says oh, no. we re not in the weapons business.