abortion is never permitted. both sides are here tonight with phil donahue, president of the catholic league. the founder and executive director of the accountability project. we llki first. your take on this at this moment? well, catholic churjs are one out of every six. 45% of the money is federal. under emergency medical care act, it is the law. it s federal law. that these hospitals must provide emergency care to women who have cancer and need to have a termination otherwise they ll die. this is blatant federal law that they ve been violating. and they ve found five instances where these catholic hospitals have violated the law. they have found those instances where they ve vie lated the law.