the ukraine hold was ordered by the president. you know, are we now running afoul again? that s at least what sources have said. i would feel a lot more comfortable if we had all of these records to review to determine how saer yously they looked at it and how carefully and rigorously they tested the legality of their decision. all right. carol, we will continue to follow this story. thank you very much for your reporting in and joining us this evening. with that i d like to welcome in my panel. associate editor of commentary magazine, noah rothman and in washington d.c., wbur and msnbc contributor kimberly atkins and former u.s. attorney and former fbi director for congressional affairs greg broward. let me begin with you, if i may. given what we just heard from carol and the significance of these communications involving mick mulvaney, the omb, are democrats leaving critical facts on the table in their pursuit in
wbur and msnbc contributor. kimberly, you ve seen the documents and all of the reporting about it. what do you see as being significant about them? well, what it does is it creates a clear connection between this effort to remove the ukrainian ambassador, to recall her, and secretary of state mike pompeo and rudy giuliani. it just adds more factual basis to the two weeks of testimony that we just saw in the impeachment hearings, which shows an effort to remove yovanovitch from her post because giuliani and others who were a part of this parallel tract focused on this investigation, getting an investigation by ukrainian officials of joe biden. they saw her as an impediment to that, and this is a key part of this entire narrative that the democrats were laying out this week. and these documents show exactly how that took place, with the phone calls leading up to her
as a u.s. success story. take terrain back, they will do erin, also stand by for me. so. we will will rue the day we we see the acting chief of staff walked away from containment nick mulvaney in the door. around them. we were given the two-minute we saw deputy press secretary warning almost ten minutes ago. hogan gidley as well. not exactly sure what s all indications are that we are happening at the white house right now. close to the president s we are again waiting for comments here. let me take a moment and turn to president trump. this was an event, a speech, if you will, that was supposed to kevin barron for a moment. start about 27 minutes ago. on a micro level here, there are let me bring in kimberly atkins reports that russian military for a moment, senior washington police units are moving toward correspondent for wbur, also an the syrian city of kobani. msnbc contributor. kim, all of this coming as this what kind of military vacuum did president faces mounting the abrup
we prefer peace to war. but in the event that kinetic action or military action is needed, you should know that president trump is fully prepared to undertake that action. here for our leadoff discussion on a monday night, philip rucker, pulitzer prize-winning bureau chief for the washington post. kimberly atkins, senior washington correspondent for wbur, and peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times. good evening, gang. welcome to you all. peter, i d like to start off with you. i m going to ask the same question of your colleague, mr. rucker. do you believe, based on power of observation, that the president feels he s in control of any of this narrative? well, look, you know, he dominates our conversation like nobody else. if anybody can control a narrative, it would be him. but right now i think he s in a position he hasn t been through most of his presidency. he s in a position where he is, in fact, seeing other actors on
we prefer peace to war. but in the event that kinetic action or military action is needed, you should know that president trump is fully prepared to undertake that action. here for our leadoff discussion on a monday night, philip rucker, pulitzer prize-winning bureau chief for the washington post. kimberly atkins, senior washington correspondent for wbur, and peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times. good evening, gang. welcome to you all. peter, i d like to start off with you. i m going to ask the same question of your colleague, mr. rucker. do you believe, based on power of observation, that the president feels he s in control of any of this narrative? well, look, you know, he dominates our conversation like nobody else. if anybody can control a narrative, it would be him. but right now i think he s in a position he hasn t been through most of his presidency. he s in a position where he is,