manafort, would be of no use whatsoever. sort of pardon protection. joining us now, nbc news investigative reporter ken dilanian, former federal prosecutor glenn kirchner, former assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york, mimi rocah, nbc news investigations reporter tom winter, and way chen, former compliance counsel expert at the department of justice. we have a full house. i will say one thing that we can get to in a minute. mortgage fraud charges, one of the things we ve been talking about with the investigations in the new york state investigations into the donald trump family has been about mortgages, about loans against properties and about that sort of fraud. misstating the value of his property. donald trump, that has to be going off in his head right now that new york state is onto a different line of attack than all of these other investigations. remember quickly, we hear it over and over again, you can t indict a sitting president. but do you rem