it s used out in the everglades and it s fishing. it s an unconventional form of therapy in the sense that the individuals aren t going to a therapist in a closed environment. it s done out in nature. so rudy, when you first heard about this, fishing. are you a lover of fishing or what got you into this? well, basically i love anything along the water anyway. so i m what you call a water baby. i go fishing, scuba diving, sailing, kayaking. i m reading anything on the water. i read in my notes this became an important journey for you because there s no way in your words to sort of turn off the movie that plays in your head every night when you go to bed of war. how does this program help? it does because you are a way from thinking about that. you re out there in the environment. you re at peace with nature, i