people gathered. i mean it wasn t thousands, most from california, colorado, texas and new mexico. the women owes march helped get this rally together. it was hard-core remnants of o rourke s failed senatorial run. we talked to some of those assembled about beto s primary critique of the wall do you consider the wall racist as beto o rourke the suggests? i see it as a symbol of hate the way he communicates it it s not the wall it s the language? it s the language, it s all or nothing. a wall or nothing. in what way is the wall racist? well the wall is a creation of donald trump s ever increa increasing send i at this and deb billitation of his frontal
minimart and protest rally. near the start time of the rally we found a few hundred people were gathered, it wasn t thousands. most from california, colorado, even mexico along with some texans. the women s march helped so it was a mixed bag, kind of a anti-trump crowded with the hard-core remnants of o rourke s failed senatorial run. we talked to some of those assembled about his primary critique of the wall. listen to what we found. do you consider the wall racist? i see it as a symbol of hate, the way he communicates it. it s not the wall but the language? it is a wall or nothing. and what way is the wall racist? the wall is donald trump s ever
he certainly didn t see new jersey because that did not happen. people have come out to say it did not happen. law enforcement, mayors like rudy giuliani, news organizations who have combed through their records have said this simply did not happen. there were ornly rumors and if t did happen, it was pockets of a few people. but he won t back down from it. when you say why don t you produce that video that you saw, he says i promise you it will come out at some point. katy tur, good to see you. thank you very much. msnbc anchor and political correspondent steve kornacki is in the newsroom with more on this. explain how this is going to either play out for donald trump or work against donald trump? it doesn t seem like anything works against him when it comes to the polls. let s take a look at this statement from rudy giuliani. giuliani is basically saying trump is exaggerating here, it wasn t thousands, it was maybe dozens. that s the claim giuliani made on cnn this morning speci
that talked about people celebrating. i m not so sure why this is so farfetched. anderson cooper did a full hour on uncovering america radical islamic americans right here in the united states who still celebrate 9/11. i m not sure where it s coming from. i think it may have been on a smaller scale. doesn t make it right. we get the feeling he s saying thousands of people were there and not backing down at all. does it matter to be completely fact factual about that? maybe it wasn t thousands. that s not what the media is reporting. the media is saying it did not happen. there s no proof.
napolitano making it clear it wasn t thousands of illegals as first reported. several hundred were related to sequester but it wasn t thousands. and it will continue? for the foreseeable future, yes. jenna: that was this morning. meantime secretary napolitano says furlough notices are going out to the tsa she said we should expect airport lines two names longer than normal moving forward. as politics of the cuts continue it play out here is the president s top economic advisor, gene sperling. this is not a win for republicans. republicans are supposed to be for stronger national defense. this cuts our military preparedness dramatically. they re supposed to be for border security. these sequester cuts will mean enough reductions in hours that will be the equivalent of 5,000 border patrol agents being cut. jenna: all this as we mark ten years since the creation of the department of homeland security. michael chertoff, former department of homeland security secretary, one of three