and scrubbed pretty hard by the foreign intelligence surveillance court. somehow those procedures didn t work as i had thought they were. so i think jim had the same feeling. and i m sure he is thinking about that as the director about the time and it works me i it worries me. i suspect this wasn t the one time case. and that there are probably comparable systemic issues with other such requests and i m also confident the director wray stepped up to make fixes. let s talk about the president s personal attorney. rudy giuliani. he met with this client in the white house on friday to discuss the findings from his fact finding mission to ukraine to attempt to dig up dirt on the bidens. you say giuliani is acting on
gobbling up the message, portraying america as weak and ukraine in disarray, but president trump as the winner. and so, don, you see that pattern that we often see from russian state-controlled migedi where they rip into the u.s., they rip into american institutions like congress or the state department as well, never seem to criticize president trump though. on the other hand, difficult to overstate the amount of concern that we heard from former ukrainian officials and also from those anti-corruption groups who are saying that some of the things that rudy giuliani has been doing are having a chilling effect on ukraine s efforts to try and fight corruption and promote transparent, don. fred, thank you so much. let s bring in elie honig, now. it s fascinating to watch that. russia s really winning on this one, right? yeah. yeah. giuliani is telling the new yorker about the former u.s. ambassador marie yovanovich. this is a quote. i believe that i needed yovanovich out of the wa
clamor by european and american leaders alike at the time for shokin to be fired due to his alleged corruption. ukraine s main anti-corruption action group, antac, which has also been in giuliani s crosshairs, tells cnn there was broad consensus that shokin was ineffective and provided us with documents apparently showing that he actually hindered large parts of the investigation into burisma. under his leadership, prosecution is not reforming, and actually he is blocking the attempts to do the reforms and to perform proper investigations. reporter: antac says the same goes for ukraine s next prosecutor general, yuriy lutsenko, another one of rudolph giuliani s proclaimed witnesses. neither shokin nor lutsenko replied to cnn s efforts to contact him. bad reputation, who are helping defeat this disinformation. reporter: and kremlin controlled media is clearly
they re the ones looking at the bills, and i think this is really big. now, the poll that was out just a couple days ago showed independent support going up. so i believe that as more i ve always said as more and more information comes out, then i think it will be change things. however, don, i hate to go back to the triangle again. but if you re in a silo, no matter what they say, they don t believe it. they go, well, that s just fake news. that s just false. yeah. and that is dangerous for our country. that s why we re so divided. if people could just look at the other side, respect the other side, listen to the other side, and that s what it used to be in congress. you bring up the leaders in congress. one of the problems we have with our leaders in congress is they re not telling the people that work with them to grow up, be mature, knock it off, stop. this is not what it means to be a member of congress. yeah. well, you re right because a lot of folks there, you can see it
work as i had thought they were. so i think jim had the same feeling. and i m sure he is thinking ability that as the director about the time and it works me i suspect this wasn t the one time case. and that there are probably comparable systemic issues with other such requests and i m also confident the director wray stepped up to make fixes. let s talk about the president s personal attorney. rudy giuliani. he met with this client in the white house on friday to discuss the findings from his fact finding mission to ukraine to attempt to dig up dirt on the bidens. you say giuliani is acting on his own is creating a counter intelligence vulnerability.