you actually had people in omb who apparently resigned over it, and also reporting suggesting this was sort of a post-hawk effort and as far as i can tell no one has actually produced a concrete explanation at the time why it was being held. absolutely. and it really does get to the heart and adds another layer to this cake of just how fully rudy giuliani working on behalf of president trump, his client, really did subvert and force his will onto an important subset of american foreign policy. to flashback to a year and a half ago when rudy giuliani was talking to us, when he was defending trump during the mueller probe he was talking to us and pretty much any other media outlet that would listen about how he, fellow trump attorney jay sekulow and other attorneys on trump s outside legal team were working on this
have decision makers say, yes, that s privileged or not.is no one i just can t imagine the claim that you don t even have so respond and justify what you cap answer and what you can t. so it wasn t surprising. what was surprising that the judge felt she needed 120 pages to say it, which says something about her concern that sort of , the bedrock principles are being challenged here. you know, kevin cruz had this to say, chuck. a lot of news today suggests house democrats should ew reconsider their rush to wrap up the impeachment hearing. they need to issue subpoenas and force testimonies from parnas, giuliani, mulvaney, pompeo, bolton and mcgahn. at the very least, get it all on the record. from your background building cases, investigating facts, what do you think about the tradeoff here between focus and timeliness versus getting all y the evidence you can? sure, and, you know, chris, the judge may disagree but when i was a federal prosecutor, my mantra was there s no such thin
that is great point. to betsey s point, he literally tells zelensky on the phone call to talk to rudy. he tells him to talk to two peopl people. but there is just no question that he s directing people to get in contact with rudy. no, absolutely. and look as betsey was mentioning earlier about how in the open and how public this was, and it wasn t actually a secret. at best it was an open secret that giuliani was acting on president trump s behalf on this stuff is he was telling reporters on the record for months in a very luquacious manner in the months leading up to this scandal, long before the impeachment inquiry was even launched. and when he would talk about it to reporters in various outlets he would repeatedly say how he
we didn t tell him who the client was which is fairly important methlogically if you re trying to conduct an investigation as he was. we hired him because he was one of the most accomplished officials we know and we trusted him to carry that work out responsibly. so in the intelligence business or investigations business there s compartmentization which prevents information from sloshing around and getting out, and there s a need to avoid confirmation bias. so if you know who your client is, that might influence what you find. so what you don t want is a person selling you information you don t want. that s a big problem in the industry. is it? yes. and everyone likes to tell their boss i found great stuff. well, what they want to hear. and the more information you learn the more worried you get as essentially citizens or
about all of this stuff. there s all this information, where it s coming from and here s this guy and that guy and this. and he s just sitting up there being like oh, yeah, i met with all those people. and he actually enters into the congressional record one of john heilemann s articles. it s a remarkable thing. and just another piece of it is that he s not like you said, he could do this potentially out in the open, but apparently, according to lev parnas, he takes the trip in december of 2018 because then he wouldn t have to report the details of it if it were after the new congress were in power because then his chairperson would be adam schiff. and there is in fact in the congressional records nunes and his team with derek harvey going to vienna late november to december 3rd, 2018. but they don t say sorry, to europe, but they don t say where they went to. that s why he won t say on fox news were you actually in vienna, did you meet with shulkin? it s easy to say no. fascin