yeah. i actually felt very strongly feeling the same way, but the more you get into this, tom, the more you see that the defense team, arguing, look, it wasn t psychological pressure, it was free will. these individuals put down $10,000 each to go through the process. hundreds have gone through it successfully. unfortunately three died. and that s exactly the defense. it s not a crime, it s clearly an accident. and so that s where this is going to be. we have the first week of testimony in a trial that s going to last four months. and even in the early stage some of these prosecution witnesses have not been that strong. so we ve got a long way to go, but i m not sure that all will be convicted in this case. avery, let s look at the dugard kidnapping. phillip and nancy garrido, accused of taking jaycee, holding her captive 18 years,