What weve been discussing w today, which involved in a regular channel, was a request that went against u. S. Policy that have have undermined the rule of law and our longstanding policy goals in ukraine, as in other countries in the postsoviet space. Those policies which were indeed championed by ambassador yovanovitch. You also testified on october 15th in the deposition about fundamental reforms necessary for ukraine to fight corruption and to transform the country. And you t cited the importance reforming certain institutions, notably was investigating President Trumps political opponents a part of those necessary reforms . Was it on that list of yours or indeed was it on any list . No, they werent. In fact, historically, is it not true that a major problem in the ukraine has been its misuse
of prosecutors, precisely to conduct investigation of political opponents. Thats a legacy i dare suggest from the soviet era when, as you stated in your testimony, prosecutors like the kgb were
That is correct. You explained earlier that your job in the white house was to coordinate United States and Ukraine Policy, is that right . It is to coordinate United States policy visavis ukraine, correct. You testified in the spring of this year that these officials, these ukrainian officials began asking you, quote, advice on how to respond to mr. Giulianis advances, end quote. Is that correct . That is correct. What do you understand they meant by mr. Giulianis advances . I understood that to mean both his public commentary, so publicly calling for investigations into 2016, burisma, and hunter biden, as well as his direct overtours to the government of ukraine directly and through proxies. Thats what i understood. As you understand it, under Whose Authority do you think mr. Giuliani was acting under . Congresswoman, i dont know. Did the ukrainian officials you were speaking to tell you that they were being asked to im sorry, can you say that again, maam . Do you think the ukrainian
and, like, they don t know that i have a stammer. this. yeah? around a million children in the uk will stammer at some point. stammering ..is.for.daddy. most will go on to talk fluently. having two sons who stammer is not easy. to see them struggling, definitely, it wrenches your heart. it s painful, very painful. i remember that when they were younger, having two together, often the headache, you know? just having. having that in your everyday life is really hard to just step back and be calm and be patient, and not try and step in and stop them. that s probably the hardest thing. it s something that, - as a parent, you want to fix. you can see your child s . having difficulty speaking, so you really want to help them and fix the problem. sometimes, i it. sometimes it can make me
and i m ok with it. i go to speech therapy and regular therapy, because i want my problems to sound good. laughter. he threw himself into the spotlight, a finalist on america s got talent, using his stammer, or stutter, as they call it in america, to make him a star. going on stage was something that made me feel. ..just like a human being again, like, people were listening to me again, because something about stuttering that i had to find out the hard way is, you know, a lot of people are impatient or they re. ..or they re dismissive, or they re not as understanding. i want joe biden to win. cheering. hang on. applause. here s why. he s a person who stutters. cheering. that s the only reason why.
a major, major sort of problem to our understanding of it, because i think, you know, there was no. one felt there was nothing you could do. so, how would we talk about it? and at what stage do you suddenly say, is there anything we can do to stop your stammer? or, how did you first get a stammer? i d love to have asked all these questions, but we just didn t because it would feel like rubbing in, you know, rubbing it all in, making him even more aware of it. and so there was a sort of unspoken feeling that we just accepted it in the family. and we did, really, around the table and all that. um. and to sort of single it out and sit and talk about it as if it were a disability would be..would be sort of, as i say, sort of underlining something he didn t want to be underlined. it was only after his father s death that he understood the importance of being open about stammering. he agreed to put his name to the michael palin centre for stammering in london