point that guards, cbp personnel, started to arm themselves in areas where they would not normally carry guns because they feared riots that s the point that this was at months ago. so it also begs the question why the dhs made the sole response to this, more money. remember they kept asking for more money, it finally passed last week that $4.5 billion for more detention space. but they acted as if that was an emergency that came up very suddenly when in fact they have known for months that there were problems that could have been avoided. one thing we found is that some of the agents were actually going out can their corporate government credit cards to buy more food because there wasn t enough food. so there are things that could have been put in place to avoid this and of course it does counter some of what we have heard from this administration that no, in fact, these were sanitary conditions and that children were treated well. you and jacob have been reporting so well on so m
interlocking social problems. does venture philanthropy give a better capacity to get those problems solved or a different kind of capacity to get those problems solved by community-based problems, problem solving? exactly. i think it s another alternative that needs to be there and we re trying to help fill that gap. we started a local food helicopteri i cooperative that s providing local foods and vegetables to the community and it was created by the members to have that community and it has a revenue stream and growing quite fast now. so looking for models like that all over the u.s. and i started this in uganda, so taking methods i learned there and applying them here in the u.s. and working quite well. we have a kiva in new orleans. we ve got a little bit more. as soon as we come back, we ll stay on this topic. but i am going to tell you a story that really got my executive producer revved up. he loved this, because it was a good walmart story, or a nice
experiential. several years ago, when fema was funding for food supports was at risk and food pantries across this country were seeing a growth in the number of people coming and accessing, middle income people who had lost their jobs, looking for food. one of the things i noted when i was reaching out to the community is that people who were accessing the food pantries were often taking food out of their bags to spread it among others, because they knew there wasn t enough food. that sense of collective responsibility, as opposed to personal responsibility. so it is ideology, but it is experiential. it s like, i know what it means to go to bed hungry. i m going to help somebody else. but it s not just rich versus poor in that kind of way. all of the studies show that when rich people are exposed to the needs of the poor, they give more. so peep who live in cities, for example, at every income level, are very generous compared to those who live in the gated communities, because the