Yes. Now, ambassador taylor also testified that and mr. Morrison both of them testified that you told them that President Trump said there was no quid pro quo which you also included in the text message that you referred. But then you went on and they had slight variations as to what you told them, but then you said that to ambassador taylor that president zelenskiy himself not the Prosecutor General needed to clear things up in public or there would be a stalemate. And mr. Morrison recounted something similar. You dont have any reason to doubt that both of their very similar recollections of the conversations they had with you, do you, ambassador sondland . Let me break that down, mr. Goldman. The text as i said about the no quid pro quo was my effort to respond to ambassador taylors
concerns to go to President Trump apparently ambassador taylor had access to Secretary Pompeo. He did not have access to President Trump so i made the phone call. I said what do you want . President trump
you subsequently said, he was sort of like, i don t want to talk about want this. so it wasn t an order or a direction to talk to mr. guiliani. correct? our conclusion and the conclusion of the three of us was that if we did not talk to rudy, nothing would move forward on ukraine. okay. then that was may 23rd. and then you never had any personal communications with guiliani until august. right? that s correct. and volker was handling, ambassador volker was volker, perry and others. okay. ambassador volker, you testified he s a professional diplomat, correct? yes, he is. and you said you had a great relationship with him? i do. yes. you said he was a very smart guy? yes. ambassador yovanovitch said he s a brilliant diplomat, in fact? do you agree with that? he s pretty smart. you stated he s one of those people i d hand my wallet to? i would. and so did you hear his
go talk. he said talk to rudy. you subsequently said it was sort of like i don t want to talk about this. so it wasn t an order or a direction to go talk with mr. giuliani, correct? our conclusion and the conclusion of the three of us was that if we did not talk to rudy, nothing would move forward on ukraine. okay. and then that was may 23rd. you never had personal communications with rudy until august. that s correct. and ambassador volker was volker and perry and others. okay. ambassador volker you testified he s a professional diplomat, correct? yes, he is. and you said you had a great relationship with him? i do, yes. you said he was a very smart guy. yes. and ambassador yovanovitch said he s a brilliant diplomat, in fact. do you agree with that? he s pretty smart. you stated that he s one of those people i d hand my wallet
to the president. how do you take a job and then recuse yourself. if he would have recused himself before the job, i would have said thanks, jeff, but i m not going to take it. this brings us to the next thing the democrat want to put in hearings if they win these court cases because mueller finds that cory lewandowski basically tried to get involved with trump s request to have a plot to get sessions to stop recusing. lewandowski is not a government official and have to tell sessions he would be fired if he wouldn t meet with him. after flynn pleaded guilty, trump was trying to still get sessions to unrecuse. he goes up to him after a cabinet meeting and says i don t know if you could unrecuse yourself. you would be a hero. but pretending it wasn t an order by saying i m not going to do anything or direct you to do anything. this is what the democrats think could make a difference if they had it in hearings with those witnesses, the evidence trump was trying to kneecap the probe, be
recuse yourself. if he would have recused himself before the job, i would have said thanks, jeff, but i m not going to take it. this brings us to the next thing the democrat want to put in hearings if they win these court cases because mueller finds that cory lewandowski basically tried to get involved with trump s request to have a plot to get sessions to stop recusing. lewandowski is not a government official and have to tell sessions he would be fired if he wouldn t meet with him. after flynn pleaded guilty, trump was trying to still get sessions to unrecuse. he goes up to him after a cabinet meeting and says i don t know if you could unrecuse yourself. you would be a hero. but pretending it wasn t an order by saying i m not going to do anything or direct you to do anything. this is what the democrats think could make a difference if they had it in hearings with those witnesses, the evidence trump was trying to kneecap the probe, bend the rule of law, do