entertainment correspondent lizo mzimba. she is seen as somebody who is a prominent woman, a prominent black woman, one of the only black women to win an acting oscar. what she didn t do yesterday, she didn t deny the scale or the horror of the holocaust in terms of numbers, but as you pointed out, what she did do was say that it wasn t about race. she said it was about two groups of white people and one s treatment of the other. that is more than an oversimplification, that actually is inaccurate, it diminishes the experience of the holocaust, as so many people pointed out who were both upset and offended by what she said. the anti defamation league s jonathan greenblatt said the holocaust was about the systematic extermination of the jewish people who they deem to be an inferior race. the way she described the holocaust
we promised we would continue this conversation, so here we are. we talked about whoopi goldberg s suspension for her remarks about the holocaust. saying it wasn t about race. and apologizing. starting important conversations about race in the country. my next guest, derek johnson, they see an opportunity for conversation and alliance. the president and ceo of the naacp. and the professor of jewish studies and social responsibility at san francisco state university. and author of black power. jewish politics. so good to have both of you on, to see both of you again. we did a great podcast, we talked about this about a year ago. and derek, we have these discussions all the time. along with the prominent rabbi
people being in the gallery. never did. never will. chris, you can call you can call me ignorant. you can call me anything you want. but i m here representing roddie bryan, and i m going to defend my client to the best of my ability, and i don t really care whether the people in the cheap seats like it or not. joining us now to discuss is benjamin crump, the civil rights attorney who is representing the father of ahmaud arbery. ben, just to be clear, that attorney equated black pastors with the klan. what do you say to that, gough claiming that his opposition to black pastors being in the courtroom wasn t about race. well, i think it is ludicrous when everybody heard him specifically say black pastors. and this whole tragedy, and this entire trial harkens back to the jim crow era, where you really think about this young black man
oh, lord. joyce when eddie runs for office in the state he ll run an attack ad. you watched jones pull off the special election in alabama no, one expected to see a democrat win in beam. does that tell you that there s a powerful movement for change down here or do you believe that was just one off race? no, i don t think it was a fluke at all. doug jones is a friend of mine. he talked about issues. you know, in mississippi just like alabama we have a lot of health issues and health ills. we have these rural hospitals closing because of the lack of medicaid reimbursements. so we talk real issues, rural development, promoting health care. we re here at objection trd, ole miss, i talk to students about the brain drain, student debt. they just want to graduate without all this burdening debt.
didn t resign until march. so others have had two years, six years to prepare. we ve had seven months. we re doing very well in that seven months because people remember me. they remember me as someone as a member of the historic congress of john lewis. the thing that s different and i hope that, you know, i hope that my race will show is that things are so dysfunctional and cynical and chaotic and people are so tired of the reality show that they remember someone like me who came in as a 30-year-old never won a race, never ran a race and won with 85% black vote, 11% white vote in 1986. in 1992, for re-election i had 95% black vote and 40% white vote. so people remember that i did things, i responded to people. wasn t about race. it was about responsiveness. so we did that from 86 to 92.