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has historical meaning. would you acknowledge that about the ten commandments? well i would well yes, if you would acknowledge bacument the goat? it goes back to the 19th century. mormonism. let s say it does. do you acknowledge that about the ten commandments? you have no problem with the ten commandments standing there next to your devil figure right? that s correct, so long as multiple points of view are allowed, there s nothing wrong with the religious monument being up but that really wasn t the argument that oklahoma was making. they were saying that it wasn t a religious monument and that the ten commandments monument served a secular purpose which is outright false. the u.s. supreme court found that. they ve already ruled that if the ten commandments that the displays have a religious significance but also a historical one. well you re talking a different type of issue because
tonight claiming victory after a court told the state of oklahoma to remove a monument of the ten commandments. before the ruling they wanted to install their own tribute, a pagan idol showing a bearded goat something like this on the capitol grounds next to the ten commandments. joining us now, a former oklahoma state senator who authored the bill to install the ten commandment monument. lucien. is it like lucien as lucifer? is that why you re called that? sure as you d like. as you like. is that your birth name? no it s not. okay. so what is it that first drew you to the satanic temple? well i helped co-found the satanic temple. why? why? because it is an embodiment of my deeply held believes and i
that s just six that i have right in front of me. yeah. and today, megyn, a church thought there were racial signs. the culprit, the individual whom they arrested was a blackman. there are black culprits that they re investigating. there is a theft and someone will investigate and find a crime to hide a crime. that s the reality of what we re dealing with. i have to question the motivation of media outlets irresponsibly running these headlines, megyn, before the investigations are completed. how can you make such a claim? i know. well some folks are pressuring some news people to get this story. black church and it s burning, get it on the national air waives right now. right. black churches and white churches get hit by lightning which is what happened last night as another network was making a big deal out of it.
aggressively and been accused of using excessive force, or use a serious measured approach. there was no order to hold back? no. you have to understand it s not holding back it s responding appropriately. now, the audio tapes contradict that. he gets out of it after listening to the tape saying hold back is different than stand down. is everyone shocked by this? it seems apparent when the mayor said that we allowed them room to destroy, space to destroy, who does that? she denied saying that. she said i never said that. we have it. watch. that is not the audio tape. but we have her saying i never said it. and nor would i say it and people are twisting my words. it s hard to back pedal when