for abortion rights. and to witness the states democratic governor, roy cooper veto the 12-week abortion ban that the republican-controlled state legislature passed in the first week of may. now north carolina republicans claim that the bill was, quote, a mainstream approach to regulating abortion, but critics say it is full of hidden restrictions and medically unnecessary obstacles that take in together were we dramatically reduce access to abortion and cause women s health clinics across the state to shut down. but the fact that republicans are trying to market this extreme abortion ban as reasonable and mainstream is important. it s part of a larger national effort will cancel determine unacceptable abortion ban standard that they could enact without politically backfiring on them. for the most, where they ve been unsuccessful in this regard. again, the majority of americans support abortion rights. opposed this is importing the criminalization of women and their doctors
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credible. the exact same things again. that matters for truth as much as the sexual abuse count matters for sexual protection. kristie, one of the things i was thinking about. there were some rumors that after he went to that cnn town hall and said things about e. jean carroll that i would ve thought given the verdict, he may not have said but he said them anyway. and he kept saying things about the election and election denial. i was gonna pardon january six people. can you tell me what further legal implications there is from donald trump continuing to does it help him to say i ve why i keep saying it or does it hurt him where he keeps on reinforcing the things he might be getting into trouble for or was already found liable for. donald trump is a prosecutor s dream and a defense attorney s nightmare. he just any good defense attorney is going to tell a target of a criminal
because it s virtually impossible to meet that standard. it allows people in this case donald trump to lie with impunity about public figures. the fact that a former president of the united states who is currently running for office was actually found liable under this extremely strict standard is huge. it could have a legal and political implications for the republican front runner who is embroiled and several other cases as well. when my next guest, senior legal correspondent dolly lithwick noted this week that while the defamation piece of the verdict wasn t the headline for most people. it represents a turning point in trump era american politics. that trump was found to be not believable under the strictest legal standard in the world should shape and dictate every activate of media it should undermine every claim he makes. it should color the way in which we view anyone who works for and with his campaign. in a fundamental sense, the carroll verdict should be as much a victory
telling in public discourse as it was for women s dignity and public spaces. that this seems boring or secondary or technical instead of groundbreaking in this political moment suggested we are more comfortable with leg room to liars in public office then with sexual predators. more on what this verdict means and how it might shift the legal and political landscape i m joined by by christy greenberg who served for over a decade in the u.s. attorney s office for the southern district of new york and is the former deputy chief of the criminal division. and thanks for to both of you for joining with us. dolly, let me start with you. there are so many people who have said in the last week this was a civil trial. the bar in a civil trial is lower than it is for criminal trial. it s a preponderance of it is you don t have to have a unanimous jury. there are a lot of reasons why
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