this is how easy it is. they put the crime in bold on page 43, when you take this out to read it. this is the other person who is indicted in this case. this is walt nauta, here are his crimes. his crime is in bold twice. where he is in an interview. it s a voluntary interview with the fbi. he is served in the navy. he s supposed to know it s a crime to lie, in this discussion. he s asked, this guy s been moving the boxes, he knows exactly where they are. he s been delivering them to trump s office and all that stuff. he knows which one trump was looking at today. so he says this when they say to him, do you have any information that could help us understand, like, where they were kept? how they were kept? where they were secured? where they locked? something that makes the intelligence community feel better about these things, you know. he says, i wish, i wish i could tell you. i don t know. i don t. i honestly just don t. this is the guy, this is the
and at this point 2015 the import mementos are shaq shoe, world wrestling federation bell, various trophies. there s a lot of stuff there, joy. and i think it is indicative of a certain psychology and mindset, again, the motive doesn t matter in an espionage case. but people wonder why did this man keep all this stuff? if you think about why he wanted to be president, right, it wasn t because he had some great passion for america. he ran saying america is basically in-esque whole country under obama. he didn t express great patriotism or love of country. he essentially wanted to be president to aggrandize him self. everything he s done in his career is to aggrandize i m self. it is logical to assume he just wanted things to further aggrandized him self. the thing that is frightening is that donald trump s associations are not just meant
them very clearly this is the kind of stuff that was there. they knew all the stuff, there s probably nothing in there that are major allies wouldn t have themselves one way or another. and they see, okay, you have this kind of renegade operation going on in florida with your national security material and you guys grabbed it. you took care of it, you won t work on it. you appointed a special prosecutor and six and a half months later he is indicted, the former president of the united states. it took him six and a half months to master the entire case and say here it is, and we did it. so it s actually, i think, a very impressive demonstration to the french, to the british, to the major allies we have around the world who know that possibly some of their material was there. but we really handled it thoroughly and well.
clay higgins on the other. i do wonder about the sort of national security apparatus, particularly in congress. and what you get from sort of the intelligence committee, what you get from the folks on foreign affairs and defense. once these facts are laid out what do you think you will see? i think it s important to zoom in on it and again you go back to the indictment, you go back to the description of the documents that are being charged. the classification markings on those documents and nobody is going to be able to argue that this is this is just inadvertently stuff that shouldn t be. we ve been overclassification problem in this country, true, right, but the nuclear capabilities of foreign countries is not something that is overly classified. i do think that it s by virtue of the specificity of the indictment and the seriousness of the stuff he is alleged to have held. it s going to cut through a lot of that. our special msnbc coverage
here. they don t quite say videotapes, but they just take in these indictment. these boxes were moved at this particular time, as a statement of facts. you can read a stack of random indictments. and not find quotation marks in them. not fine quotation marks saying the person said exactly these words. and prosecutors won t use quotation marks unless they can actually prove every one of those words. not just the gist of it. he said something like this. it s word for word. that s pretty striking. i want to go back to encouraging people out there, if you read one indictment in your life, let it be this indictment. we like to brag that we ve been busy reading a 49-page indictment. it s not 49 pages. there s a lot of white space here. there s pages like 43, that looked like a screenplay page with all that white space. because it s pure dialogue. you ve got half pages here, because of the little signature pages and stuff. it really, really, maybe it s 20 something pages. if it was book pag