lost the election, and the election wasn t stolen through fraud. they re going to have to prove that beyond reasonable doubt. which is a high bar, of course. a high bar. that leads me to believe that we are seeing the tip of the iceberg on this. do you think jackson of has more? yes. i would believe he has a lot more. okay, let s bring in michael cohen, donald trump s former fixer, and attory. he is now a principle of crisis x. he is the host of the mea culpa, and political beatdown podcast, and the author of the new york times bestseller revenge how donald trump weaponized the u.s. department of justice against his critics. great to have you tonight. good to be with. you heard the former attorney general say that he believes that donald trump knew that he lost the election, and what do you think about that being a defense, that his attorneys are going to say? he believes there are election fraud don t nobody could show evidence of it. donald will now reach to any def
just a normal standard vote counting. lies number, 15, 16 is that pennsylvania and wisconsin, eight more states have more votes than actual voters. doj officials told trump that this clearly untrue claim was indeed untrue. but he still use the pennsylvania park, it is pretty right, january six. speech line number 17 is trump s lie in that same speech that pennsylvania wanted to re-certify his election result showing the biden victory. some republicans in the state, did but the democratic governor said that the people who actually had the certification power did not. and lies number 18 through 21 finally are assorted false claims about various states. 18 at nevada, had tens of thousands of double vote, and nonresidents have voted in arizona. wrong again. 20 to 26 non citizens voted in arizona, trump s campaign and finally, 21 that wisconsin had major fraud and tens of thousands of unlawful votes and once again all baseless.
he is facing for federal criminal charges, including conspiracy to defraud the united states. all in connection to his efforts to undo his election loss. a secret service as security will be at the highest levels. in a moment, i will ask former trump fixer michael cohen about the defense that trump appears to be using, and what he thinks will happen next to those six coconspirators. plus, our resident fact checker daniel dale goes through the 45-page indictment tonight to break down every one of the election lies laid out in it. former attorney general bill barr tells kaitlan collins tonight that trump knew he lost the election. at first, i wasn t sure. i have come to believe that he knew well he lost the election, and what i think is important is the government assumed the burden of proving that. the government, and they re tightening, takes the position that he had actual knowledge he
president would have to get on the stand and subject himself to cross-examination in order to raise that, and he would have to waive attorney-client privilege. and what would happen if he got on the stand? i think it would not come out very well for him. you think it would hurt him? oh, yes. yes. why do you think that? well, because i think he d be subject to very skilled cross-examination, and i doubt he remembers all the different version of events he has given over the last few years. do you think he knew that he lost the election? do i personally believe that? at first i wasn t sure, but i have come to believe that he knew well that he had lost the election, and now what i think is important is the government has assumed the burden of proving that. the government in their indictment takes the position that he had actual knowledge that he had lost the election and the election wasn t stolen through fraud.
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