from lawyers. as i wrote in my book. not as i said to the january six committee, because of, course he said nothing. but is this a preview of a possible trump legal defense? glenn? you know, it is. and everyone who s charged with a crime, and goes to trial, has a defense. most of them are not winning defenses so and mike pence said, well donald trump was just taking advice from bad lawyers, i will agree with mike pence that the rudy giuliani s and the john easements, and the city powers of the world are bad lawyers. but, he was also being told by real lawyers like pat cipollone, and eric herschmann, that the election wasn t fraudulent. and here s the thing, staff, we can debate this forever. we can engage in analysis paralysis, there s only one person you can actually answer
and the conspiracy. all of this, whoever wants to pick that up, katie. what they show is not only that. it shows this is something that began before election day, that donald trump, you know, he publicly was out there screaming that if he lost, it would be fraud, and there s no way it would all be rigged. you had roger stone on camera saying that they plan to say no, even if donald trump lost the election. if you know he didn t lose, and it continued from there when he lost the election. he kept claiming fraud, even though those around him were saying, it wasn t fraudulent, the election was fair, you lost. you had everybody from his family to his high level cabinet members like bill barr to his white house lawyers to his aides, his campaign associates, all telling him that it was over. the courts telling him that it was over, but donald trump
absolutely no choice but to be a human conveyor belt, he s a human conveyor belt, even as the votes were fraudulent. he said, he had to send the votes, couldn t do anything. i guess, like, as you are engaged in this project, right? laying out these very damning facts, how do you what do you make of the fact that the same incendiary call or just completely unabated from the same individual? well, it s concerning. i mean, it s very obvious, and we have evidence laid out, that he, the election was not fraudulent. he knew it wasn t fraudulent. he kept saying it, and he is still saying it, that will see, tomorrow, and later in the week, his efforts to subvert state election processes and, you
or just completely unabated from the same individual? well, it s concerning. i mean, it s very obvious, and we have evidence laid out, that he, the election was not fraudulent. he knew it wasn t fraudulent. he kept saying it, and he is still saying it, that will see, tomorrow, and later in the week, his efforts to subvert state election processes and, you know, he is still clinging to these falsehoods and the question is why. is it to further undercut confidence in the electoral system, so that he has a chance to prevail in some future election? that s basically what one of the judge luttig referred to in our hearing last week, that
laura ingraham telling kellyanne conway that it was a mistake. it seems as if the red line for trump being, do you think the election was stolen or do you not? how can democrats seize on this moment? i think democrats need to remind voters, democracy is on the ballot. we know the election wasn t fraudulent, and they re trying to undermine the democratic norms as a whole. you end your piece by saying, democrats face considerable headwinds, but trump s terrible