political parties that debate on issues and facts and not lies. and i really hope that liz cheney will continue. i don t want to speculate. she s said herself she doesn t know what her future plans would be. elaine luria, congresswoman from virginia, thanks very much. all right. we will continue our conversation here about january 6th and what the investigation may do to donald trump both politically and legally here. yamiche alcindor who works here, nbc news, and the host of the show on pbs. jay sherman, punch bowl news, stephen hayes, and maria teresa kumar. i want to start. i ended with liz cheney there and i want to start with her. i want to start with her diagnosis of how donald trump weaponized parts of the republican party. take a listen.
but the idea of climate change and making it the issue, would you like to see more presidential candidates do that? absolutely. public sentiment is changing very dramatically, but we need more grass roots action on the part of americans, not only in the upcoming congressional races and the presidential race in 2024, but in the local races and in the state elections as well. we, the people, have to solve this, and we have to instruct those who are in positions of leadership to start doing the right thing. our survival as a species may depend upon it. al gore, thanks for coming out and sharing your perspective and your leadership on this issue. thank you, chuck. when we come back, the january 6th hearings, will they lead to a criminal prosecution of former president donald trump?
be on the ballot, too. so we are having a if the midterms are up, no longer a referendum but a proxy fight. well, we know what this is. we re a polarized electorate. it s goingt going to be a coin flip. when we think about all the people that you mentioned, herschel walker and j.d. vance, part of what they re trying to do is recreate what former president donald trump did, which is not have a lot of policies but have people feel that you hear them. move people in a way that you are describing the arizona primary right now between a want to be celebrity trumper versus somebody that worked their way through the system. with an electorate that is sort of angry at everybody, do they look up and say, you know, what, i like this celebrity. he s interesting to me. or do they say i will go with the guy that s preaching at martin luther king s church and i m going to go there. whether or not young voters and people of color come out. all right.
they re raising their families. they re going to work. and they re not aware of all the things donald trump has done. one of the things the hearings made clear is if you thought on january 6th or january 7th there was this rally and donald trump had the right to raise objections and you weren t really paying attention, but that, you know, ultimately this wasn t donald trump s fault. the hearings have made clear that this was a plan, a multi-faceted plan, detailed, laid out in advance, with the help of top trump advisers and crazy people who are not trump advisers. just showing that and providing the facts from people who worked for trump, that, i think, is what made these hearings so effective, is they came from republicans. not just republicans, but republicans who chose to dedicate their career to working for donald trump. these are the people making the case against trump. so it s sticking as a narrative. is it going to have anything political?
welcome back. as more people provide information to the january 6th committee, the co-chair liz cheney says the dam has begun to break against former president trump. as more witnesses are coming forward. the last hearing details how mr. trump refused to do anything to stop the planned attack on the capitol. trump refused to do anything. so what is next? will the committee make a criminal move? will they decide to prosecute mr. trump and what is the cost to the former president? as a committee member who led congresswoman luria of virginia, congresswoman welcome back to meet the press. so the dam has begun to break. that means more evidence, more witnesses. let me ask about a specific witness that we have not heard from that is probably the biggest one besides the president. are we going to hear from him or is the extent of his cooperation