protection and revenge. the latter directed his perceived enemies with the current hairless taught by the justice system this ought to hold him accountable. that of course is the thesis that we just laid out. there are two important issues here. barbara and i spent a long time talking about the revenge part of things, the weaponization of the government against trump s perceived critics. but this protection racket is something worth examining. i think jamie raskin put it very clearly last night. amongst trump supporters, it s no valid point at which you could possibly attempt to hold them to account, because he is either president or he s running for president or he will be president again. that is exactly right. it seems that he is trying to carve out a new protection. we already know that the justice department has a policy of not pursuing criminal action against a sitting president. he wants to extend that to cover anybody who might be president, who is president, who perhaps was
get from joining nato, but how nato would benefit from their membership. admiral, great to see you. you are the only person i wanted to talk to you about this. you and i have been, for years, been talking about the fact that nato was in grave danger. we thought the world really didn t remember why nato was formed. why it was important. donald trump wasn t so into. it it looks like it was, sort, of coming apart of the edges. now it is growing by one, possibly two, countries. of course, the consideration of ukraine, in the distance. it is a big deal. nato has become a much more important thing than it was. it has. let s think of it like a computer program. nato one point oh was the cold war. the soviet union. the warsaw pact nato 2.0 you and i both remember, nato goes abroad. nato goes to afghanistan i commanded that mission for four years. this is nato 3.0. i would argue, just like a
knew that donald trump had lost the election. i think that if it is clear that the people around donald trump knew that he lost and made that clear, then it makes it even harder for donald trump to claim that he wasn t aware that he did. and so we don t know exactly what the evidence is. the strength of it. but certainly, either way kushner is a key witness in this case. thanks to both of you for getting us started this morning. but remember craig, former united states attorney and msnbc league announced. kimberly atkins store is a senior columnist of the boston globe and msnbc political analyst. both women are co-host of the #sistersinlaw pod cast. i did that and much better than i did the beginning. things are improving. we are set for a good show. thanks to both of. you have a good day. coming up, the birth of a conspiracy theory. we are in a talk about why republicans are so preoccupied with discrediting the fbi, the doj, in the january six investigations. and the threat that poses
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presidents, anything he can to avoid accountability at this stage while, at the same time, using the investigation as political fuel to try to rev up his supporters to say, look, i am being attacked. there after me because they re after you. he is trying to use this as both a shield and a sword in a way that is really remarkable and unprecedented. i think that they are after me because they are after you, barbara, is an interesting theme. it is manifested overtime. it started as dumb trump as seeking justice, donald trump as your adventure. seeking your retribution. and now, i don t know how he gets people to believe this, but he somehow is the person who is standing between the government coming after average americans and them. well he is engaged in some time tested tactics that have been used by authoritarians. one of them is something known as the either or fallacy and that is that there are only two