administration to obstruct the lawful and constitutional duties of congress. this will only further add to the body of evidence on a potential obstruction of congress charge against the president. i will say this. it s quite obvious and we fully expected this. we have seen a serious of shifting, ever changing rationales for this campaign of obstruction. joining us now is laurence tribe, harvard law professional, constitutional law. i want to get your reaction to what chairman schiff is saying there, especially since you are the co-author of the book, to end the presidency, the power of impeachment. is this a possible way to go, to simply say they re refusing to testify rather than try to push this through the courts and take months to get an order to testify. we re simply going to treat this as an on instruction of congress and possibly create an article of impeachment out of this behavior? i think chairman schiff is
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exactly right. it s exactly the way to go. there is no reason to drag things out in the courts. the precedent of richard nixon is clear, obstructing congress when it performs its solemn function of investigating a president to see whether articles of impeachment are justified is itself an impeachable offense. otherwise the entire system would collapse. if the president could do what this president is doing, which is even more extreme than what richard nixon did and try to get everyone who has anything to do with the matter to just clam up, then we couldn t really get to the bottom of everything. now happily, in this case, ambassador yovanovitch and others have agreed to testify so that the president s stonewall has to some extent collapsed. but that doesn t prevent the congress from deciding that building that wall was an
but what i have read from the summary reports, it s just shocking. this crazy idea about ukraine being responsible. and before we get to their interpretation of it, i just want to remind everybody that in 2016 candidate trump was saying he might look into recognizing crimea as being part of russia. candidate trump was saying he wanted to lift sanctions on the russians and he wanted to blow up nato and he never said a word about democracy or human rights. so why would the ukrainians want to steal e-mails from the dnc to help donald trump? it just makes no sense. but the fact that they re talking about it is truly shocking, and then it appears in the phone call with president zelensky. president trump then makes it crystal clear that he still believes this broad conspiracy. and why i think that s important is it shows that that one phone call was not just some one-off thing but it was a predicate that goes back years now about the way they were thinking about their relationship with ukra
to be talked into approaching a lawyer. i didn t want to deal with legal. my approach to coming to this was i saw the request, i answered it before i even talked to any legal counsel. and my approach was why should i need legal counsel to come here and talk about this, but that s not the way washington works apparently. that is certainly not the way washington works for the four trump administration officials who defied impeachment today and refused to show up for their depositions. the most important was the man everyone rushed to complain to after donald trump s phone call with ukraine. john eisenberg. now hiding behind the trump directive that ambassador mckinley and ambassador yovanovitch is norred. the testimony of the ambassadors proves that there is no legal basis whatsoever for the trump administration blocking any of this testimony. mike mckinley testified under