and how much time they had to prepare, to gather evidence, how much of the responsibility can be sent up the chain of command, rather than to this individual. these are all things that are important, in connection with our crime trials. and we will need to keep a close eye on how ukraine follows up this trial with our others. but i think, bottom line, as a template for proceedings in the future, it s a good sign that ukraine has both the will and the capacity to conduct war crimes trials. so this was the shooting of a civilian in the head, on a bicycle. absolutely not something that you re allowed to do under the rules of war. although, we are now hearing about things that are really beyond the pale. obviously, we ve heard about sexual violence, as a weapon in this war. we have had reports of rapes of women and the brutalization and sexual assault of children and babies.
important, in connection with our crime trials. and we will need to keep a close eye on how ukraine follows up this trial with our others. but i think, bottom line, as a template for proceedings in the future, it s a good sign that ukraine has both the will and the capacity to conduct war crimes trials. so this was the shooting of a civilian in the head, on a bicycle. absolutely not something that you re allowed to do under the rules of war. although, we are now hearing about things that are really beyond the pale. obviously, we ve heard about sexual violence, as a weapon in this war. we have had reports of rapes of women and the brutalization and sexual assault of children and babies. is there, is it the same mechanism to deal with those things? because clearly, people can say, bad things, including civilians, might get shot in the course of war. we are now into a different category. these are what most of us would know to be war crimes. there is no doubt that war crimes are occur
these structures, at their best, can work to hold those who are most responsible for the kind of depravity that we are seeing in russia. but not for the footsoldiers. for the footsoldiers, it s gotta be domestic institutions, domestic courts, national law. and so, the fact that ukraine is now conducting its own investigations, conducting war crimes trials, with the help of the international community, i think it s a very good sign. what we do have to watch out for, though, is to make sure that the ukrainian procedures are in compliance with international human rights law obligations for fair trials. this trial happened very quickly. we don t know too much about who was the defendant s lawyer,
positions. once the enemy in this case the russians, have those fortified positions, it s hard for the ukrainians to push them back, and vice versa. it s one of the reasons that intense committees worried to have a stagnation here on the ground, ali. cal, thanks for staying up for us. we appreciate it. cal perry for us in kyiv. joining me now is gabor rona professor of international human rights humanitarian and committing law and the school of law here in new york city. he s also director of law and armed conflict project at cardoso. professor, thanks for being with us. we are seeing these war crimes prosecutions. this one soldier, young guy, prosecuted. he admitted his guilt, shot a 67 year old man, he was on his bicycle. and other soldiers were trying to get away, after they had been ambushed. tell me how this looks to you. is this what are the ukrainians doing? and how does this set him up to be able to begin war crimes trials? it looks good, ali. and the reason it looks good
of depravity that we are seeing in russia. but not for the footsoldiers. for the footsoldiers, it s gotta be domestic institutions, domestic courts, national law. and so, the fact that ukraine is now conducting its own investigations, conducting war crimes trials, with the help of the international community, i think it s a very good sign. what we do have to watch out for, though, is to make sure that the ukrainian procedures are in compliance with international human rights law obligations for fair trials. this trial happened very quickly. we don t know too much about who was the defendant s lawyer, and how much time they had to prepare, to gather evidence, how much of the responsibility can be sent up the chain of command, rather than to this individual. these are all things that are