rates, drug abuse, and even suicide rates. so i would say bottom line absolutely we have to get rid of obamacare. we have to do better. deliver health care better and pay for health care better in this country. but proponents of obamacare use life expectancy as to why we needed reform in 09 but i don t think it s great for the metric system. dagen: and the i can go through heart disease, stroke-related disease, you name it these death rates are going up and the one thing that s sickest, quite frankly, of all is obamacare. the way it has fallen apart. exactly, dagen. look, i don t understand the defense of obamacare, to be honest with you. because almost by any metric that it was advertised as, it s failed. it was supposed to bring premiums down, instead they ve gone up by an average of 25%. oh, unless you live in arizona
so their premiums had to go up and rich people due to taxes. so something s going up because that s how it s paid for. if they fix it by making it a medicare drug plan, then you couldn t point to who s seeing their premiums going up any more than they re making old people pay for your drug plan. as far as sick, health insurance in general, it s debatable how much healthier it makes people. you alluded to the people that are sicker, dying longer, longevity. a lot of them are white men. they re more or less heavily short already before obamacare. so if this insurance is so great at making you live longer, why are they getting morrow obese? the bottom line is for some people who didn t have insurance who had serious conditions, there s serious benefits in having a subsidized policy. but other people take more risks by having health insurance, having access to cholesterol medication, they all of a sudden eat differently. so it it doesn t all of a sudden lead to better health outcomes. dage
responsibility? more power in the hands of the individual and less power in the hands of the government? that is what we re talking about. yeah, that is what we re talking about. and i want this to succeed. dagen: i would be thrilled. you would be thrilled that the country did terrible. no. i would be thrilled if republicans made health care better. look, repeating the same thing over and over doesn t make you right. i m sorry. it makes you rude. but if you have it when obamacare, i was not for it. but i wanted to succeed. the problem they did was they did not do anything with the health care system. they simply added more people to the insurance roles without fixing the health care system. and you see obamacare right now is 22% higher than work-based plans. and it has done nothing to fix this system when you talk about personality responsibility. look, obamacare is not going to make us live longer or make us live less. neither what will come next. that is personal
where they re up by, like, 145%. i know my premiums have gone up 30% for the past two years in a row. i m having trouble finding a primary care physician because doctors don t want to sign up for it. you know, we were promised that we could keep our health plans. i liked my health plan before with blue cross, blue shield in maryland. don t have access to that anymore. it s not competitive. you ve got insurance companies dropping out of states, so now it s becoming monopolies, almost sheer monopolies. and the big metrics they wanted was, well, we re going to ensure more people. maybe but the fact is a lot of those people have moved to medicaid. we already had medicaid. you didn t need a government-mandated running health care in order to do that. so, you know, people don t like it. it s despised by the majority of people out there. i say let s move on. we re not going to get any sicker, we re going to get healthier. dagen: eight out of ten americans, julie, want obamacare changed.
responsibility. we have a health epidemic in the united states. and that won t be addressed with insurance reform, which is all obamacare was. dagen: and what you know? people deserve to get what they were promised, and they didn t get it with obamacare, and that s why it s being repealed. thanks, guys. cavuto on business in about 20 minutes from now. neil, what have you got? hey, dagen, is a solid dob market about to shift into overdrive? what ford ceo told me that could be good news for donald trump and also for taxpayers. plus the half hour that now has facebook under fire. we ll see you soon. dagen: kneel, thank you. we can t wait. but up here first. after the intel briefing on the russia hacking, the federal government now pushing a chewed plan to protect election from cyber attacks. but some here say the plan goes too far.