kelly, defense attorney. joy, what do you think about the reaction from the aclu here? what they re making an argument for is that we ve got to establish a baseline of culpability for the police department. you ve already indicated earlier in the show that it s very rare as we know for police officers to be charged. so what the aclu is asking for here is some kind of public evidence to substantiate a claim of innocence here, of at least of not being guilty. so how do we then take them to task and hold the police responsible? absolutely. and michael, gone are the days when it s simply enough for police to assert that the officer acted lawfully and there s no questions asked. in the intervening years, particularly after since the michael brown case we know that in cases like the walter scott case in south carolina in cases like we ve just seen in baltimore, you can t just take place at their word. and the police words are always very symmetrical. the person reached in their waistband
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or any other group. if it s police officers who are shooting people and the only time look what happened in this last the last case. there were police reports that were written. if there was no video, that officer never would have been charged, ever would have been charged. in the walter scott case. never would have been charged. you don t know that. i know that based on 35 years of being in the criminal justice system and reading the same script that officers put for every shooting. you can only speculate. i know he was charged. you re trying to prove it counterfactual. do you remember what the police report said? do you remember how they covered for each other? did you see how they were covering evidence? did you see how they said they wrote the same script, which is he was reaching, i was in fear for my life, there was a struggle? it s a script. i rarely agree with mark geragos, as most people know, but he s right about this. you guys have made a career out of th
if it s police officers who are shooting people and the only time look what happened in this last the last case. there were police reports that were written. if there was no video, that officer never would have been charged, ever would have been charged. you don t know that. in the walter scott case. never would have been charged. you don t know that. i know that based on 35 years of being in the criminal justice system and reading the same script that officers put for every shooting. you can only speculate. i know he was charged. you re trying to prove it counterfactual. do you remember what the police report said? do you remember how they covered for each other? did you see how they were covering evidence? did you see how they said they wrote the same script, which is he was reaching, i was in fear for my life, there was a struggle? it s a script. i rarely agree with mark geragos, as most people know, but he s right about this. you guys have made a career out of
even when the incident itself is not captured on camera. in the deaths of freddie gray in baltimore and michael brown in ferguson, only the aftermath was recorded. it was enough to lead to charges for the baltimore officers, but not in ferguson. there s a lot to talk about on this subject. i want to bring back eric adams, brooklyn borough president and former nypd captain. back with us also sunny hostin. again, sunny is a former federal prosecutor who used to live in baltimore and is friends with the current mayor. also with us, legal analyst mark geragos, a criminal defense attorney, and anthony scott, the brother of walter scott, who was shot in the back by a north charleston police officer. mr. scott, do you have any doubt that had your brother s death not been recorded in the way it was that things would have moved so quickly? because we know the officer in his initial report gave a very different account than what we ve all seen in the video. i definitely believe it would not