some views on some of the key immigration and border security issues that the president had run and won on, had expressed some differences. one of those was about the wall. you ll remember that john kelly, rather early on, was sort of forced to walk back some comments in which he suggested the president was evolving or learning on the wallisch issue because kelly had talked to border protection, border patrol agents who said look, we don t need a solid concrete wall, what we need is barriers in certain areas, technology and more personnel. here s the thing, when it comes to reading that line, many are reading and going, hey, i think this is kind of him pushing back against the trump wall rhetoric. there s that interpretation. that your sense? we did talk about to some extent i referenced, of course, the shutdown and how it is primarily over the president s demands for this 5 billion for the board wall arde