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Transcripts for MSNBC The Indictment of Donald Trump 20240604 01:23:00

into felonies. how does that work, if those crimes he described today we are not actually themselve charged? i put this question to two o our legal experts, who are her with us today. kathryn christian and andrew weissmann, both vetera prosecutors that have seen the from both a federal and stat perspective. can either of you walk to us non lawyers, walk us non lawyers through this part of the charges. do you want me to take crack? you go ahead. okay, so, the first thing t know is that the statute in ne york that says you can bum this up to a felony requires that you have an intent to commit some other crime. you don t actually have to commit that crime. so, that s why you would necessarily need to charge it. that s something that alan bragg said also, if one of the crimes tha your thinking could be used as that bump up is a federal, crime and then that is not something you could charge the state court anyway now, this really goes to

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Indictment of Donald Trump 20240604 05:22:00

election law, it s a crime t conspire to promote a candidac by unlawful means. he described additional fals business records, charges, not the one that we re charges against trump today, but additional false busines records that were allegedl carried out by the company tha owns the national enquirer he also described federa election law caps on contributions. again, those are not charged today, but he cited thos crimes has been essentially th aggravating factor that made the charges against trump toda into felonies. how does that work, if those crimes he described today we are not actually themselve charged? i put this question to two o our legal experts, who are her with us today. kathryn christian and andrew weissmann, both vetera prosecutors that have seen the from both a federal and stat perspective. can either of you walk to us non lawyers, walk us non lawyers through this part of the charges. do you want me to take crack? you go ahead. okay, so, the first thing t know is th

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Transcripts for MSNBC Katy Tur Reports 20240604 18:05:00

to judge dearie. she is a judge, she should be a neutral third party themselves. so that s what is so, what worries me, and more broadly, for the american public, and in a positive note, half, about half of the 80 judges who rejected donald trump s claim that the 2020 election was stolen were republican appointed. many of them were trump appointed. the judicial branch stood up to his attempted coup. so judge dearie was appointed by ronald reagan, a fair judge, a great reputation, so i think the system works, i think dearie will do the right thing, but it s just a really sort of sad moment i think for the judiciary. let s talk about who dearie is and i want to go to you on that, carolyn, and this is the one person who the trump team ability d.o.j. team agreed on, walk us who he is and the open question is how do they find somebody that they both agree on? well, you know, he s a denizen of new york, so

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Transcripts for MSNBC Katy Tur Reports 20240604 18:46:00

there s nothing quite like being inside that room, and feeling the air in that room, the emotion in that room, looking um and seeing the rafters, and understanding that this is a moment in history that we re likely not going to see again, certainly not any time soon, and it won t be like this, either, because king charles will not have sat on the throne for 70 years. no. but i do want to ask you, clive, because i know we re seeing a giant outpouring of support, there are thousands of people coming, and the lines are incredibly long, 24 hours of waiting, but this is a moment where there are questions about the future and it s also a moment with questions about the monarchy itself and colonialism. and when we look at that crown on top of the coffin, it is beautiful. it sparkles. i mean to see it in person would be incredible. but there are questions about the diamonds. i mean india has brought up questions about one of the big diamonds on the front of it, same with africa. well, yo

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Transcripts for MSNBC Katy Tur Reports 20240604 18:45:00

and by the time we saw them ten hours later, they seemed still to have conversations. so the british like to cue. as we call it. and perhaps that is part of it. the culture of it. but at the same time, i think there is a certain kind of need to just take in the whole experience, not just those, where it is a minute or so, in that great hall, and not just that but the buildup and the chance i think maybe for a sense of community, at this time of grieving, and bereavement, not just for the royal family, but for the national family. so again, we are waiting for the queen s children to arrive in that stately hall, and really just in a sense join that national mourning. you know, i understand the desire to get in line, and to see this in person, i mean you get these incredible images on camera, obviously, we have high definition, we can see the sparkle of the jewels, and

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