department doles out disability benefits and they treat veterans. health care for veterans. the scandal we ve known about was on the health care side. wait lists and veterans not getting treatment and veterans dying and the department had admitted to those problems. this is the other side. just as much if not more money going to veterans disability payments and we knew they had a giant backlog. what s amazing about this is when they tried to get rid of that backlog, they cooked the books. what they were accused of doing on the healthcare side. like th gives you two choices. you can have the books cooked or have a backlog. we re unable to get both taken care of at the same time. i want you to listen to one of the whistle-blowers and her startling claim. i saw boxes with my own eyes and what was in my boxes and a lot of that stuff should not have been shredded. the va told me because i didn t see the shredding happening, that it wasn t shredded.
what i was trying to do is high l highlight the difference between g government bureaucracy and the real world. in the real world you wouldn t see people dying on these wait lists and think the answer was to just fraudulently change the wait list because there s no consequence for doing so. more people get their news from john stewart than anyplace else.
bill: i would drive. i would drive. i would ride down that. martha: you would? bill. would you? martha: i think so. that guy sounded pretty scared. bill: good luck. martha: thanks everybody. happening now starts right now jenna: we start today with shocking new accusations in the va scandal. hello, everybody, i m jenna lee. hope you re off to great day so far. eric: hello, everyone. i m eric shawn in for jon scott. we re awaiting a new hearing where lawmakers vow to get to the bottom what exactly happened with the notorious wait lists that grieving families cost dozen of nation s veterans their very lives. this as new allegations surfaced that the veterans administration may be working to try to stonewall investigators by intimidating its employees. even they say threatening would-be whistle-blowers with reprisals. jenna: fox news obtained and
riverbank. 19 train cars derailed. each weigh 70 tons each. luckily the rafters steered clear of them. the cause of the derailment is being investigated. disturbing new allegations in the va health care scandal including evidence of stonewa stonewalling and threats to punish whistle blowers. a recent e-mail reads this, please immediately standdown on communications with stake holders and delegation members and others regarding the access audit, wait lists and accelerating care initiative. let me clarify. communication with stake holders including veterans, veteran service organizations, media, congress and state and local officials remains a top priority. which one is it? we have a staff writer for the washington times.
mccann, suing a former police officer there. they say the detective in charge of the initial investigation in 2007 defamed them, claiming they covered up the death of their daughter. eric? eric: jenna, as lawmakers gear up for a new hearing on the veterans administration scandal tonight, we re hearing about new shocking revelations about possible interference by the va those accusations include charges of intimidation with the va reportedly trying to stonewall investigators looking into notorious wait lists across the country which families claim cost veterans their lives. fox news released email where the leadership tells employees to stop further communication with delegation members. what does all this mean? joining us is ellison barber, a staff writer for the washington free beacon. you read the emails and it seems like the va is telling the employees to shut up and don t spill any secrets. when i talked to members