it had been publicly reported. that s important, of course, because it rebuts one of the president s main talking points, which is this couldn t have been bribery or extortion or quid pro quo, pick your word, if ukrainians did not know something was being withheld and for what reason. cooper says, in fact, they did know and, you know, believes that they, in fact, knew why. she also testifies, garrett, about why it was necessary that the aid be released to ukraine. she said if the aid is not released, it would weaken a strategic partner. can you just explain to our viewers what the bipartisan policy toward ukraine was before this controversy that s come out in the last few months? and why it was bipartisan policy? sure. absolutely. this is the heart of the national security argument here around why democrats believe this is an impeachable offense. support for ukraine and particularly the military in ukraine and good governance rule of law institutions in ukraine has been a bipartisa
if some of the trump voters aren t, in fact, all upset, if people aren t willing to go to the polls and make a change and demand a change, this will be the new normal i mean, this will be what our country will become, whenever trump leaves, someone else will come who will be just as bad, just as awful, maybe a democrat, maybe a republican this will be the new normal unless the voters in the end decide this is not acceptable. joyce, are you optimistic watching the substance you ve all been good at pointing that out for me and for our viewers are you optimistic that the substance that comes out of today s hearings will be rewarding enough to sort of block out the noise about the political machinations or the circus up there around corey lewandowski and the president s allies or do you think today will serve as a dis inceincenti from continuing with hearings like this? you know, optimistic might be too strong of a word given how many times we ve thought the rule of law would finally h
defining issue. i think that partly has to do with if you look at any of the polling, most american voters aren t focused on the mueller report, aren t focused on that as a reason to vote for democrats versus the president. so do you think there s a point where the democrats investigations are going to begin to hurt the candidates or do you think the voters can separate the two? i think that s going to be a key question. the question is going to be, and i think you re going to see the president really hit on this and how he did on twitter is he s trying to run as a vindicated man and say there was no collusion, this is over, and so the question s going to be how do democrats kind of counterpunch on those issues and do voters think the democrats are just going after this president, you know, either they d go after him no matter what or do they have a serious investigation with things that they are looking into. i think that is what you see democratic leadership trying to do to say,
as much as elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are policy allies, they stand for a lot of the same things. voters aren t grouping them together when they consider their list making, just like the last voter. ali vitali, and shaquille bruce, thank you for your coverage. i m now hearing from never trumpers, but never warrens who are now saying well, you know, if she makes it through this process, i can see myself supporting her in a way i would never support bernie sanders for many of these people who consider capitalism to be an all right thing, they would still never vote for bernie sanders in the general election, but elizabeth warren is now getting more grudging respect from mainstream democrats and even
allies will make this argument. i think that will have taken away the argument that she is, you know, a drag or affecting, you know, candidates. if we won, then that really wasn t effective and then i don t understand what the case against her would be. here in kansas republican steve watkins, an army veteran and first-time candidate, was also vying for the open seat is trying to link davis to pelosi. he is saying what he thinks he has to say in order to get elected, and kansas voters aren t being fooled by that. a recent cnn poll showed that pelosi is not a major factor for most voters nationally. i don t think it s really having much of an impact. on day one of the campaign, i m not going to support her, and there s nothing that s going to change that. whatever the republicans are going to say, i think, is just, you know, trying to muddy the waters, which they do time again and time again. it s been a strategy that republicans have tried throughout the country this electi