know that in november of 2020, this is after the election was over, donald trump invited some michigan lawmakers to come to the white house. he called in a key county saying hey, i want you to come out there. the invitation came after he called republican members of the canversing board, including detroit, who later sought to rescind their vote certification. we know in november, he s trying to get michigan lawmakers to change the outcome of the election. but then in december, december 14th is the date when the electoral college formally meets and does what they do. now, you have these fake electors who are not these people. these are totally different people going in and signing these certifications. that s the crime they re being charged for. is that also a federal crime? because i am fascinated by the fact you have two states, georgia and michigan, where people are being either, you know, potentially indicted or indicted for this fake elector scheme, but is that also a federal crime
legitimacy, it has to address that. we remember the earliest moment where we knew something was wrong. it was when jim comey said that trump tried to extract a loyalty pledge, personal loyalty, not feelty to our laws and constitution. this obstruction of justice thread that starts with the mueller report and the ten instances that mueller found of obstruction of justice potentially by the former president that couldn t be addressed then because he was a sitting president, now we still have that obstruction of justice. this is something that prosecutors do take seriously because if people get away with obstructing justice, prosecutors can t do their jobs. although the center piece of trump s conduct is the effort to interfere with the vote certification, and that has to be addressed along with
An Arizona judge ordered a rural county to certify its 2022 midterm elections results after the GOP-controlled board of supervisors delayed its certification by the deadline on Monday.
conspiracy. i think there is still some evidence that needs to be developed on that front. obviously obstructing an official proceeding. the electoral college count. the vote certification. he was unlawfully pressuring a high government official, mike pence, urging him to violate the law. so, and mike pence, jonathan, he can close the door on testifying to the january 6th committee and he can close the door on a voluntary interview with federal prosecutors. federal prosecutors can t compel him to come in for a voluntary injury. you know what he can t close the door on, a federal grand jury subpoena, let him try to close that door and i expect special counsel jack smith will kick that door wide open and perhaps even off the hinges and mike pence will end up inside a federal grand jury. neal, one more question for you, but on an almost different subject, it s about the jury deliberations that are under way in the oath keepers seditious