Be moderated the for we are discussing the new book from mark zupan t11 teeleven. Mr. Zupan looks at the sources of national decline typically when people think about the sources Philip Gossett of government as special Interest Groups to coopt government for their own benefit. However mr. Zupan takes a different approach to look at that decline from inside government from government insiders that could cause even more harm to countries and civilizations and the harm from outside of government. We are really looking forward to hear from mr. Zupan today. The way we will be framing the of book for of we will hear remarks from dr. Zupan then comments from, myself and our guest from the Brookings Institution. The first doublea2 introduce dr. Zupan to begin his tenure as the 14th president of Alfred University dean at the Simon Business School at university of rochester january 1st 2004 serving is dean and professor at university of Arizona College of management through 2003 and taught at un